Climate change emails

my2monkeyboys wrote: So since no one else has brought it up, I will. Let's try not to get it locked ok??

Just wondering what everyone thinks about the emails concerning climate change/global warming that were found recently....

PrairieMom replied: I assume you are referring to the ones that are supposed to prove that the whole thing is a hoax made up by climate scientists?

IMO, and obviously I am on the go green band wagon. I have listened to both sides of the argument, from these e-mails are proof that the whole thing is made up, to the far other side where the emails were taken out of context.

Personally I believe that it is a little of both. There is money to be made by people on both sides of the spectrum, so I am Leary to blindly follow any line of thinking.

amymom replied: I had not heard about this, but am off to google it and than will voice my opinion.

amymom replied: Ok so it does not surprise me.

luvmykids replied: I saw some show DH was watching the other night with Jessie Ventura on this subject....I didn't pay much attention and haven't done much research either way. I think my stance could be summed up at this point by saying I don't think either side has enough to convince anyone of anything unless they want to be.

my2monkeyboys replied: I am so with you... I think anyone could 'prove' anything with certain data... it's all very wishy-washy to me.

Kentuckychick replied: I agree that the whole topic just gets way too wishy washy in the way it's presented.

For me though, it's a no brainer. The things we do affect the environment we live in and at some point, even if it's not right now, or even if it won't be anytime in the near future, the things we do that negatively affect our environment will also negatively affect humanity as a whole. So maybe they're pushing it the wrong way... and maybe a lot of lies have been told, but in my honest opinion, if it gets people to take better care of our world... well then, so be it.

PrairieMom replied:
Thats kind of the way I look at things. I personally believe that there is a bit of global climate change going on, how bad it is, I don't really know, BUT to me it is more of an issue of Creation care. We only have one planet, and it is undeniable that there are things that we are doing as an entire human race that aren't good for it. We don't have endless resources and endless space, so, we ARE going to start feeling it, either in our lifetimes or in our childrens.

DVFlyer replied:
While it's a good thought to take care of the world we live in, the problem is that the "ecological" solutions seem to have negative environmental impact. In other words, at what point does the positive outweigh the negative.

Trying to quantify the positive v.s. negative seems almost impossible.

Also, has anyone noticed they've changed from Global "Warming" to Climate "Change".

This to me is the biggest signal that the initial fear based marketing for Global Warming was all a scam. A scam for what purpose, I don't know.

MommyToAshley replied:
I think the change in terminology was due to the fact that it is not just "warming". Look at the weird weather we are having now. Europe has never seen temperatures like it is right now, so people baulk, "global warming... ha,it's not so warm". Although technically it is a result of "global warming".

A few scientist over-exaggerated some numbers. Shame on them as they hurt the very cause they were trying to help. There are extremist on every side of every issue but that doesn't make the entire argument irrelevant. And, how ironic that these emails were releases right before the summit in Copenhagen. I don't think the timing of the release of these emails was a coincidence, either. Both sides are guilty. But, can you honestly say that polluting our environment is not a bad thing? Then, you wouldn't mind standing behind you car exhaust for a few hours or living next door to some of the large pollutant factories? Even if it is not to the extreme right now that some would like for us to believe, what's the harm in taking care of our planet for our children's children, or their children?

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PrairieMom replied:
This is true, just the act of existing creates a negative environmental impact. BUT, there are ways to lessen it.

I am really having a hard time not climbing up on my little green soap box.

PrairieMom replied:

my2monkeyboys replied: I am all for taking care of what we have... recycle, don't litter, just common sense things. However I don't agree with governing according to "proof" of something that may not be real, whether it's about the environment or anything else. I am a bit irked that the government has had such a heavy hand lately when there is still so much hazy area in this matter.

PrairieMom replied:
I think a lot of the problem is that our environmental issues go way deeper than just the superficial recycle reduce reuse, don't litter thing.
its about factory farms that need to be regulated, and the use of fertilizers on our crops, and what kind of crops that can be planted.
What happens to the waste that is produced through manufacturing.

I don't believe that the government being all up in our business is the issue, I believe the real problem is that many of the people who are supposed to be in charge of making sure that there are policies in place to keep us, our food supply and our communities safe are the same people that are actually profiting from not keeping us safe.

luvmykids replied:
I think you're right....it's the principle more than anything, for me personally. It creates a lack of trust which never helps a cause.

DVFlyer replied:
That is my point. We were led to believe that the earth is warming- thus the "Global Warming" restrictions.

There are many scientists (I think NASA is one segment) who believe the earth is actually cooling.

The initial argument was that greenhouse gases were causing the earth to warm. Our car exhaust, factories etc were causing this. But if the earth is cooling....???

We were duped.

Take battery powered cars for instance. Sounds good at first - "No more harmful car exhaust", but the infrastructure to create the power to charge those batteries, the disposal issues with old batteries and the factories needed to manufacture those batteries all seem to add more harm than good.

Yes, it's honorable to be good Stewards of our world, but just saying it is one thing. Coming up with actual scientific evidence that what you're proposing will - without a doubt- help more than hurt is another.

Quite honestly, the best thing we could do for the environment is stop procreating.

PrairieMom replied:
thats true, and as soon as I am done with this pregnancy, I fully plan to jump onto the no more procreation band wagon.

my2monkeyboys replied:
LMAO!!

I guess either we need to stop having these pretty babies or stop coming up with medicines/techniques to help life last longer. Either is way too grim....