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DONALD TRUMP - HATE HATE HATE (I'm sorry, but I do)


ashtonsmama wrote: THIS MAN TICKS ME OFF LIKE NONE OTHER.

He has grown childen, then marries Melania Knauss or whatever her name is, who's about the same age as HIS children, which is just creepy, and then has a child with her, names him BARRON (YUCKY) and gives the newborn a whole FLOOR of Trump Towers...

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Then he poses for all sorts of pictures for People and other magazines, in his HUGE nursery and gold plated carriages, etc. and his wife says that these solid gold carriages were gifts from friends and she'd "never really use them, we just keep them and laugh" (almost a direct quote, not joking)...

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And ever notice how uncomfortable Donald Trump looks when holding his son? He doesn't even know how to hold his own son, I wonder why? Maybe because he NEVER TAKES THE TIME TO.

They (of course) have a full time live-in nanny, so it's not like "Mommy" does much of the work anyways, she says that she "loves to take care of him" but she doesn't even "have" to...

And Donald Trump is bragging about his not having to change diapers, because "Melania wouldn't let me, and I'd probably do it wrong anyways"...

DOES THIS MAN ONLY TICK ME OFF?!?

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I'm sorry, but such blatent disregard for your children, and treating them like they're just an "object" or a publicity stunt, TICKS ME OFF like none other.

SORRY.

I just read the article a couple weeks ago and it made me so mad.

He needs to get over himself and go change a few diapers.

"I continue to stay young, right? I produce children, I stay young," said the father of five. He already has four children by his two former wives, Ivana and Marla.

For the first few months, Melania plans to stay close to home. “But eventually we will take the baby with us," she told PEOPLE. Though she hopes to resume her modeling career, she says she'll be picky about assignments, taking only the ones "that I'm passionate about." Whether she's working or not, Melania has already hired a full-time nanny.


He said more annoying repulsive things, but I'll quit my rant now.

Sorry.

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TheOaf66 replied: I hear ya, seems a lot of these rich celebrity's do stuff like that, the child would be to much of an inconvienience YKWIM

Cece00 replied: He's so gross looking. & I dont agree with ppl having children when they are so old...jmo.

CantWait replied: I have seen stories about Donald and his children, and I have to say he really seems to have a genuine heart for them. Yes he has money, but I think he really does do well and he's earned his position of power. I think Melena is going to be a great mother, she sounds like she's really looking forward to being there for her child. Sorry just a different perspective from you I guess.

ashtonsmama replied:
We can agree to disagree on that one.
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I think he just has kids for the heck of it, but maybe you've seen a different side of him that I haven't...
JMO.
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mammag replied: His older two children seemed to have turned out fine. On the show they seemed like nice, personable people. Though I think his house is a bid gawdy looking, if that is what they like....... more power to them.

I think if you look at many people that are famous you would find much of the same. At least she plans on taking the baby with them. And you can't really begrude her for returning to her modeling career.

He is very busy and has to remain so in order to keep his business' running so they really can't avoid having a full time nanny.

Sorry, I agree with Marie on this one.



ashtonsmama replied:
OK--fine with me, it's JMO.

I'm definitely sticking to it.

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I know he's a busy man, but from what he's said, it's like he treats his baby like he's a business project too, and I think that kid will end up a spoiled brat with the way they're raising him, but that's JMO.

Ashlynn's Mommy replied: I agree with Amanda. Did you also notice how uncomfortable Melania looked holding the baby. She looked like she didn't know what she was doing. After the interview aired on the news, I thought to myself "gee, I wonder what she does when the baby spits up all over her?" I would do anything to see that rolling_smile.gif rolling_smile.gif emlaugh.gif

Boo&BugsMom replied: You're not alone Amanda, I agree with you. His older kids are well behaved because they probably had a good nanny raising them, or their mothers just took the time with them after they got their divorce settlements.

I'm sorry, but if you can not take care of your children YOURSELF, then you shouldn't have kids! I mean aside from school, daycare, etc. But if you have to have a full time nanny to watch your children 24/7, then you shouldn't be allowed to be a parent!

Maddie&EthansMom replied: You honestly believe the media is going to paint a pretty picture of these two? nosmiley.gif

I agree with Jeanie and Marie...he's a powerful, successful man and he does what he has to do. Nope, he probably isn't a 'get down on the floor and tickle you' kind of dad (are we really sure of this?), but his kids have nothing but good things to say about him. He did teach them the value of a dollar...they just happened to have millions of dollars. They say they didn't get everything they wanted, but he made them work for it and taught them about honesty and hard work. They now work for him and could only do so after going to college for a degree. While they were given a decent job after graduating...and most people don't have that luxury, they do not hold the top positions in the companies until they have earned it.

I know it is your opinion and I really see nothing wrong with your opinion so don't feel like you have to defend that. hug.gif I just happen to think Donald Trump is a smart man and he's done a great job at avoiding the media in his personal life so they have to create the most negative appearance they can.

Maddie&EthansMom replied: I also wanted to add that one of my very best friends has an au-pair (full time live in nanny) and she's a terrific mom. They just have a different lifestyle and this makes it easier for her to be WITH her children more often instead of away from them. Who is to say that just b/c the nanny is there that she does all the work and Melania does nothing? It's all just speculation and gossip. No one has the facts. wink.gif

mammag replied:
I don't know one way or another whether Donald and Melania are good parents. My concern is that by saying they shouldn't be allowed to have children, you are doing the same thing a sahm would be doing if she said, if you can't stay home with your kids, you shouldn't have them.

I think also that just because they have a full time nanny (many celebrities who are in a busy stage of their lives do) doesn't mean they are taking care of the child full time but that they are there on call when needed and taking care of the basic day to day stuff. That's not something I would do but I don't have that lifestyle.

Maybe if some celebrities had a full time nanny (hmmmm.....remember the Spears discussions) their children would have a more stable envirnoment.

Boo&BugsMom replied: I just can't agree with that. Why have children if you can't be there for them and have to have someone else on call? Children are worth their parents time.

ashtonsmama replied:
Probably heads down her gorgeous million dollar dress and ruins her boobs.

J/K

I'm not trying to be hateful, really. I just get frustrated with celebs sometimes.

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I do agree that some children turn out wonderfully being raised by nannies, or at least having nannies around to help the parents out (I should know, I WAS a nanny in college) so I'm not saying that at all. I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to have children, I just wish they could appreciate their children more and be more present.

Make sense?

And I do agree, the media is not always (pretty much never) accurate when painting the whole picture of a celeb family, so I'm not saying that. I take it all with a grain of salt. It's JMO.

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ashtonsmama replied:
I think relying completely on a nanny, yes, that is NOT going to help your children, what they need is YOU, and I definitely get frustrated by that.

But a little nanny or babysitter here and there I do think is ok. Just not constantly.


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Boo&BugsMom replied:
Yes, exactly my point. You just said it better. Thanks for clarifying for me:)

What I don't understand though...she's not working, why does she need a nanny then? She only has 1 child! This is what I mean. You can't handle 1 baby when you aren't working? Come on! Ok then, hire a maid to clean up the mansion, a cook, but a full-time nanny to help with the child? It's just laziness in my eyes, sorry.

moped replied:
Well in the Trumps case, I guess the Melania should be able to be with him lots, but in real life people work and require babysitters to work and live.

I like the Trumps, he is an amazing success story IMO

ashtonsmama replied:
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I agree.

And Jen, you're entitled to your opinion, I do think he's done well for himself, I'm not arguing about that.

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Ashlynn's Mommy replied:
Shes afraid she will break a nail changing the baby's diapers, or like Amanda said, she's afraid the baby will spit up all over her million dollar dress, and ruin her boobs. I think a 24/7 nanny is just wrong. Babies need their mommies, for comfort, and bonding. MY word!! How could you let a nanny take care of your baby 24/7 while you go shopping or get your nails done, or even just lay around the house. I too think there's no point in having children if the nanny's going to take care of them 24/7, it's only going to hurt the child. There's going to be no bond there, That's wrong!! JMO. wavey.gif

mysweetpeasWil&Wes replied: I get frustrated with celebs at times too, but I have to agree with the others regarding Mr. Trump. He is a successful man and has made it on his own. Who can blame him for that? I actually am very fond of how he has raised his kids too. They seem pretty well-rounded IMO. I love my kids and find it important to be with them as much as possible, but if I had that kind of money, I would totally hire a nanny too......LOL! rolling_smile.gif

CantWait replied:
All I have to say on this one, Is how comfortable were you when you first held your baby?? I for one was not, not even with the second, and holding other babies, still aren't.

I think this thread has turned out much like the Britney Spears one, unfortunetly we're mommy's tearing other mommy's to bits and pieces without knowing all the facts. Donald's wife hasn't done anything horrible to her child and hasn't endangered it, it's sad to hear that as mother's and women we feel the need to take someone else apart to make ourselves feel better.

Her decision to work whether her husband makes all the money in the world is hers. If I had enough money to live off of for the rest of my life I would still at least work part time. Everyone needs their own time, whether we choose to go to work to get that social interaction or do something else is one's perogative. wink.gif

Boo&BugsMom replied: I would love to be a fly on the wall a lot of times, wouldn't you all?

ashtonsmama replied:
I do agree on that, Lonnie. A baby needs his mama, that's just how God created human beings, we need that closeness, IMO.

And Rae, I do agree with you on some of that, I really don't know too much about his other kids, so I can't disagree on them, but if I had more money I might hire some part time help, or at least get out for a date once in awhile!
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Boo&BugsMom replied:
Girl, I've been agreeing with you this whole time! cool.gif

Whoever said that, I do also agree that he has done well for himself. But the whole FT nanny thing still raises some questions, especially when she's not working......hummmm.

My2Beauties replied:
So I work 40+ hours a week and have a sitter - am I a bad parent? I can't always be around my child, no my sitter doesn't live with me but she sees my daughter through the week for more hours than I get to!

moped replied:
Good question Leanne, I too am away 40 hours plus..........................Jack and I have a wicked bond

And if I had that kind of money I owuld have a housekeeper a cook etc etc...but I wouldn't work so I would be with my child all day.............

ashtonsmama replied:
No, I never even meant that! I'm not saying us as parents can't take a break or get help, heck, my son sees my MIL's face enough, I'm preaching to the choir. It's just the celeb thing that gets me. But I never meant for it to turn into a babysitter/nanny debate. So please keep it on topic everyone. Never meant that, k?
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You all are AMAZING parents! I know from talking with you and how you talk about your children that you love them very much, and that's all that matters. Heck, if Donald and Melania love their son, which I'm sure they do, that's the most important thing. Sorry my preg. hormones are getting out of control here. Sorry for all of the growly faces.
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My2Beauties replied:
No I didn't take offense but nannies are pretty much just glorified sitters really and I highly doubt that Melania is going to 100% of the time let the nanny do everything, the nanny will probably have baby around 40 hours a week like a full time job and like us working parents have to have our kids around sitters. If I had that kind of money I'd have a nanny there to help me out too - just a little laugh.gif

redchief replied: Frankly, I didn't know The Donald and present mistress (that's the value he places on marriage, so I'll call her what she is) had a child. Further, I don't care and I didn't even know what the babe's gender is. Part of the reason celebrities do what they do is because we make them newsworthy. I prefer to ignore them. dry.gif

Ashlynn's Mommy replied:
The first couple of days I was nervous, but after that I was very comfortable holding them. wub.gif This is a community message board, and people should'nt be teared apart because of their opinions. We don't have to agree with each other, but we should respect each other's opinions hug.gif wavey.gif And about the nanny debate we were debating about a 24/7 nanny, not a nanny who watches our children while we go to work, or school. We were debating over a parent who does'nt work at all, and yet has a live in nanny 24/7 to take care of the baby. wavey.gif

Boo&BugsMom replied:
I think everything I have said has gotten taken way out of context, along with a few others. Notice how I said "outside of the daycare while working, school, getting away etc.". I am talking about a live in nanny that is on call 24/7 for ONE child to a parent that isn't presently working. How is that not lazy? I'm not calling it unnecessary because she works and is taking her child to daycare. I am calling it lazy because it's NOT that type of situation. Period. I am safely assuming your sitter doesn't live with you, isn't on call, etc., and that you work right? Nobody is pointing fingers at anyone here. I don't want to debate either, but I think putting words in ones mouth will probably start that if we are not careful and assume what others are posting. Please read my previous posts so you understand better as to what I am saying.

mammag replied: This is the problem with posting a personal attack on someone who you don't know personally, or know all the details of the situation. None of us are there in that house seeing who is taking care of the baby and when. When you make assumptions and criticize someone, you open yourself up to scrutiny as well.

I doubt there is a one of us on this board who doesn't have something that has happened or a way of life that others might find fault with. I include myself in that group.

My point about the 24/7 nanny is that, given their lifestyle, I don't think it would make sense to have to call someone everytime you need to go do something (regardless of whether it's work or going shop, or getting your nails done for that matter). If they can afford to have someone living with them that is there for those times.....why not?

Ashlynn's Mommy replied: That's your opinion, and I truely respect that hug.gif So please respect my opinions, and stop debating them wavey.gif hug.gif

mammag replied:
I wasn't specifically targeting your opinions. I'm sorry if you felt that way. I believe I orginally responded to someone else's post. I will be cautious, in the future, to quote who's posts I am responding to and will not debate your opinions in the future if that is your wish. deal.gif

moped replied: A 24/7 nanny is fine if you can afford it - I work with a number og men who have that........but they do everything - houseowrk, shopping, etc...........like Jeannie said, we dont' know them, so it is hard to say

Ashlynn's Mommy replied:
I'm sorry if I jumped to the wrong conclusion. hug.gif No hard feelings I hope??
It just seems like this is a very touchy subject. hug.gif wavey.gif

redchief replied: I'm seeing a few hurt feelings coming through in the emotions of the posts. Everyone must please keep these things in mind:

1) Disagreement over an issue and personal attack are two different things.
2) Any and all posts have the potential to spark debate; and that's okay. It's one way we learn.
3) Everyone has a right to their opinion. Everyone also has the right to respect in agreement or disagreement.
4) Sometimes an issue raises sensitive feelings in others. It's important to try not to make a debatable issus a personal one.

One way to assure that a debatable issue becomes personal is to respond in thus manner, "So you're saying that if I ....." That's an unfair shifting of a debatable issue to a personal issue. Debate is good. I've been square in the middle of some of the more colorful debates ion PC, and come away from them with due respect, and sometimes, surprising change of heart towards those with whom I've disagreed.

Remember, no matter how righteous we feel in debate, the other side feels righteous in their position too. It is possible to respect another's position without agreeing with it. I'm just asking everyone to debate nicely, stick to the issues, and control your emotions before firing off response.

Boo&BugsMom replied: I don't know why it has to be a touchy subject. I guess some people are more sensitive than others, but people have to realize that being in a large forum there are going to be a lot of varying opinions and people need to deal with that. It seems this thread has really taken on a more serious note than intended as well.

moped replied:
As Usual you said it!!!!

ashtonsmama replied:
THANK YOU! I'm sorry if some saw this as a "personal attack" to Donald Trump (which yes, it did sound like, but honestly, it's just my own opinion about the way celebs spend their time and money, which in the end, doesn't apply to any of you or mean anything about your choosing to have a sitter or nanny)...

So PLEASE--take what Ed said to heart (thank you for saying what you did Ed) and don't take any of this personally. REMEMBER--this is just my personal opinion about him, not about any of you, and it's not meant to make anyone upset. I was just frustrated after reading that article, it just seemed like he considered his son a publicity opportunity, and I thought that was just wrong (in MY eyes, remember).

Also--please take into consideration ANYTHING I say in the next few months before our daughter arrives need to be taken with a grain of salt. I'm PREGNANT, and pregnant women are known for their jumps and dips in hormones, either positive or negative, so please just remember what I started this thread for: not an attack, not a debate, but a statement--MY statement.

That's all I have to say. Thanks for the thoughts and for listening!

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luvmykids replied:
I'm sorry, I just don't think it's fair to assume that because she has a nanny that she doesn't do any of the "dirty" work or has such shallow reasons for having one.


The only thing I'll say is this: Being married to Donald Trump certainly has its benefits but because of his work it's very likely that he isn't around much. So although she doesn't work right now and only has one child, she may not get much help from him and during the first 6 months who wouldn't like to have someone on call to give you some relief? He sure isn't going to leave the office to come home so she can take a nap after being up every 3 hours, how many of you would have killed to have someone right there to allow you to do that?

CantWait replied:
I don't think being pregnant gives you the right to jump on others for the opinions and wisdom into a subject. Remember we've all been there before (except for you guys wink.gif ) and we can understand being hormonal, but that also isn't an excuse for saying what we want.

You posted a subject, and based on your post people are giving their opinion, their insight, and their wisdom. If you don't wish people to give their statements, then it should be considered not to post. You're perfectly entitled to your opinion, but so is everyone else, and that doesn't mean you have to constantly defend it, we know it's yours just as you know (or should know) that what we say is OUR opinion. wink.gif

Ashlynn's Mommy replied:
Okay. That's your opinion, and I respect that. deal.gif

kit_kats_mom replied:
Ok. I've not read this entire thread yet but one of the comments so far, got under my skin so I figured I'd jump in.

I am a WAHM. I have a maid and a sitter who comes to my home two days a week so I can be child free for awhile. Sure, I could do my work when my DH is home but frankly, I'd like to spend some time with him in the evenings. And sometimes-Gasp-I even take a nap when the sitter is here. Lauren is still waking up an average of 6 times a night and I have yet to sleep one full night uninterrupted since Katherine was born. If I don't have kid free time, I am not the best mom I can be. I'm cranky evil mom. And I'm FAR from lazy. In fact, I've been accused of doing to much my more than a few people.

Meliana has a job as an important persons wife. She has to look beautiful, have beautiful things, be able to keep the social aspects of their life in line etc. That in and of itself is a full time job when you think about the number of business dinners that Donald and herself must attend each night.

JMO-Cary, the person who has a lawn service and who should probably move to a place with no lawn if she doesn't want to mow the stinking thing herself. LOL

luvbug00 replied: I honestly could care less how much time anyone spends with their child, celebrady or not. In the end there is no time limit on which to spend with your child. I'm not one to say that if you have a nanny to be your best when your child needs you that it's wrong. I need a nanny for heavens sake. when mya was an infant I was horrid at times because i didn't have enough rest. If you can afford a nanny then great hop to it. If you can afford to stay at home, luck you! and if you need to get a sitter then they can be awsome as well. i see nothing wrong with any of our situations as long as because only we know what is best for us.

On the other hand Britney spears needs a nanny!! heven help any child in her care. rolleyes.gif

ashtonsmama replied:

I was just trying to clarify why I may have said something out of anger or spite, and not meant to be so incredibly mean to Donald Trump, who I honestly do not believe will be one bit affected by my comments here...but I apologize! I'm sorry that my post was taken out of context and turned into a global issue. That's why I hate posting my opinions sometimes because they do automatically turn into a huge tangent (ok, sometimes). So I honestly am sorry. I hope that we can let this one go please, and I will never again say anything about a celebrity I don't like.


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I should've kept it to myself, please accept my apology. No more from me. I'm through.

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Just to respond to Cary's comments though:

I NEVER meant to say anything about mothers who leave their children with a sitter, have a part time nanny, or whatever they need! That was not my initial post subject at ALL! I believe that moms need alone time, time to breathe, and whatever method keeps a person sane is perfectly alright with me, 100%. The sanity and well-being of myself is, in my life, the most important. Before I can take care of my baby, or my husband, or my house, I need to take care of myself. I've learned that since having A, and I realize how important it truly is. So good job Cary for taking care of yourself!
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luvmykids replied:
hug.gif I don't think thats what anyone meant, just that you're perfectly entitled to your opinion and therefore so are others. Doesn't mean you can't post about it, just be ready for others to do so as well. hug.gif

CantWait replied:
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Boo&BugsMom replied: Is anyone really listening to what ashtonsmama is saying? Why are people taking so much offense to this? I also don't see the relevence in someone coming to a person's house two times a week while someone works from home and this situation...another point that some people are reading way too much into posts. Some of you are guilty of the same things with your posts, by assuming things!!! People really need to lighten up. There is also a way to post things without sounding rude or crass to one another. This thread was taken the wrong way from the beginning and because people will NOT LET IT GO it keeps going back to attacking ashtonsmama's posts. I don't think she has anything to apologize for since she did nothing wrong but post a frustration and opinion, that wasn't even meant to be taken fully seriously. It's fine to post an opinion different from someone's, but there is a tasteful way of doing so, without attacking and reading into more than what is meant by it. For example, there is a difference between saying "I don't agree, but I think it's ok to have a live in nanny because this is my situation.......", other than saying something more rude and harsh. Some people also need to learn what SARCASM is. Let's lighten up people...please.smile.gif

coasterqueen replied: Wow, I didn't look at this subject before because I honestly didn't see how Trump could cause so much debate. laugh.gif rolleyes.gif

Anyways, to each their own. I feel comfortable with the choices I've had to make in my life, even if they are not ones I wanted to make. I'm sure the Trumps feel the same way. Course if I had the money to hire a nanny, I probably wouldn't hire a nanny, I'd not work so I could be home with my child. My choice, obviously not theirs and that's their life so therefore not my choice to make.
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Ashlynn's Mommy replied:

I totally agree with you. People should stop taking this so personally. Everyone in entitled to their own opinion's. People should respect that, and stop acting like this is a personal attack on them, because it's not. All of us come to this board for the same reason's were supposed to get along, and be "online friends", not attack each other, over other people's opinion's, and views. I don't think ashton'smomma has anything to apologize for either, she was only saying how she felt. I think some people need to apologize to her for blowing her opinion's, and feelings way out of proportion. wavey.gif

holley79 replied: I didn't even know they had a child. See how much I pay attention. blush.gif

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