Do you consider this child porn?

Celestrina wrote: There are some adult cartoons that depict children or early teens in sex scenes. Do you think that this is child porn? Even though there are no actual kids being photographed or filmed, do you think it should be legal?

gr33n3y3z replied: you must be talking about Anime right?
Thats where that stuff started with Japanese Anime

CantWait replied: Here in Canada I believe that is still considered child porn, and I agree.

Calimama replied: Yes it's child porn, the only difference is the cartoon form.

Crystalina replied:
I'll have to agree with you. I've not seen this but just from what you posted I would say yes.

MoonMama replied: Yes it IS child porn!

Nina J replied: I think it should be illegal. What kind of pervert draws cartoon's of children and young teenagers having sex? That's just wrong. In my opinion it's not the same as a human child, but it depicting that and that's just perverted and gross and whoever would draw something like that is a freak.

mom2my2cuties replied: Funny you should mention this. I was watching something on TV over the weekend about this, and it was showing how photographers are using a form of the "age enhancement software" that law enforcement uses only in reverse to take the pictures from the adult girls picture to back to what she would have looked like as a child and it's legal to post them because EVEN THOUGH she looks like a child, she was of legal consenting age when being photographed.

stella6979 replied:
You must be talking about Law & Order: SVU. I saw that episode not long ago and instantly thought of it when I read this.
To answer the question though...yes, I would consider it child porn.

punkeemunkee'smom replied: YES it IS child porn!!!! Ask yourself what kind of person would want to look at it...the Supreme Court just recently (within 3 years) legalized 'animated' depictions of children in sex acts...It is disgusting! IMHO if someone wants to look at something so vile they are probably well on their way or already involved in harming a 'real' child!

mom2my2cuties replied:
Actually no, it was something on Discovery Channel or something like that. I don't watch SVU any longer, and haven't in over a year since lately my life has been an episode of it.

Boo&BugsMom replied: Abbie pretty much summed it up for me. It still stands for the same thing! Disgusting. Whoever wants to look at something like that needs help.

Celestrina replied:
No. All anime means is animation that comes from Japan. A very limited amount of anime is pornographic. Shows such as Speed Racer, Sailor Moon, Pokemon, and Hamtaro (all kids shows) are anime. The movies Spirited Away, Howls Moving Castle, and Princess Mononoke are all anime as well.

It is just as easy to find western animation that is adult oriented as it is for anime. Western cartoons started out as intended primarily for adults.

In fact, if you look at my avi, that is an image from an anime show.

Personally I find anything that depicts children in a sex scene disgusting and should be illegal.

My2Beauties replied: That is absolutely disgusting and should definitely be considered illegal IMHO! Anyone who looks at that crap is disgusting and it probably doesn't stop there, they probably look at real child pornography too.

skinkybaby replied: I accidentally voted wrong.
I think its sick

Calimama replied: I would like to hear from the 7 people who voted that it should be legal.

skinkybaby replied: It should be 6.

gr33n3y3z replied:
even if those 6 did respond its just their opions and what would you say any way?
And I can see their point of view bc its not actual kids its just cartoons we know its not real nor are the kids.
Even tho I didnt vote that way but I can still see their point.

mom2my2cuties replied: I was one of the 7 - But in my defense, I misread the question/answer I was saying YES it should be illegal...Not Yes it should be legal. Apparently the comprehension between my eyes and brain aren't going so well

And no matter what someone's vote is, it is thier opinion, and they shouldn't be made to feel as though they have to defend thier point to anyone. Opinions are like armpits, everyone has a couple and at times, some may think yours stink.

Calimama replied:
I just wanted to hear their point of view. I wasn't going to bash them, I really was just curious.

Insanemomof3 replied: I voted wrong too. I wanted the middle one. But. I find it disturbing that people would draw that/look at that, but that is THEIR choice. I just choose not to. No children are hurt by drawings (unless they see them, or are posing then that is bad). Nevermind, i am having a hard time putting into words what I feel about it.

I don't like it. But I don't look at it. Plain and simple. Things I don't like i just choose to not look at.

And I do agree that it is child porn.

cameragirl21 replied: i am one of the 7...i find cartoonized child porn repulsive and tbh, most of the anime i've seen after hours on cartoon network left me feeling rather but the reason i voted that it should be legal is because i don't like censorship and feel it sets a bad precedent...as long as no one is being hurt then i don't want the government telling me or you what i can and cannot watch.
i also feel that the kind of sicko that watches animated child porn is a sicko with or without the anime and i'd much rather that sicko get his (or her) rocks off watching cartoonized children than actual child porn where children are being hurt. a sicko is a sicko, and the best way to preemptively deal with a sicko is to keep him/her occupied with the least harmful thing possible.
JMO of course.

Calimama replied:
See that's exactly what I meant when I said I wanted to hear what someone who voted that it shouldn't be ILLEGAL. You brought an interesting view point that I would have never thought of if you didn't post that.

My statement wasn't so I can tell someone their opinion was "wrong" or make them feel as though they had defend what they voted. I just wanted to see another viewpoint.

Danalana replied: I think it's sick and really disturbing....not surprising, so much.
It might appear that nobody is being hurt. Think about this, though. Wouldn't that just be feeding the sick minds of pedophiliacs? Also, this kind of thing can be read by young people, who might be greatly influenced by it, thinking it's acceptable. Yeah, no visible harm...but just because we can't see the direct effects, doesn't mean they aren't very real.

My3LilMonkeys replied: I was also one of the ones who voted it should be legal. While I personally have no interest whatsoever in it and think it's disgusting, there are no children being harmed or degraded by it. I don't like the idea of the government having too much control over our lives. And, as Jennifer said, if someone is sick enough to want to watch child porn, I'd rather then have a legal option as opposed to having nothing available and possible molesting a child.

I do, however, think that it should be rated NC-17 and treated just as any other pornography is - available to adults only.

Insanemomof3 replied:
Exactly what i was trying to say.

punkeemunkee'smom replied:

Oh yeah right cuz that is the way it works.....who would watch that EXCEPT someone looking for a child to harm. It won't stop at cartoons and IMO ANYTHING depicting a child in a sex act 'real or not real' should be illegal! Getting their 'rocks off'
to an 'animated' child is still the image of a child How about we (as a nation) spend more time protecting the rights of our children and less whining about the fact that laws set in place to PROTECT them may deminish some of our rights.....How is it that I can't, if I so choose, smoke in public but you will stand up for the rights of a pedofile to watch animated children involved in sex?????

moxee24 replied:
This is exactly how I feel. I too was one of the six that voted it should be legal.

Insanemomof3 replied:
I watch horror movies and murder mysteries and all that. Does that mean I am going to go out and kill someone? Just a thought....

moxee24 replied:
I don't agree...Just because you watch something DOES NOT mean you are going to act out what you are watching. That is why it is called a fantasy. IMO i think it is better to be watched and kept in your head then to go out and find someone to act it out with, where it would cause some major problems. I read what a lot of people call "trashy romance" novels, but that doesn't mean that I am going to go out and reinact what I have read. JMHO, it is better to have a cartoon then the real thing.

Boo&BugsMom replied:
Abbie, I totally agree. Also, why "feed" the child molesters? Wouldn't that make their urge worse? I would think so. That's usually how addictions work.

TANNER'S MOM replied: Well if there was one reason to believe in being censored at all.. wouldn't it involve children.

Okay, so we will protect someone who is sick enough to want to use a cartoon of a child but for some reason we can't protect the innocence of our children. Yes it's a cartoon but still the likeliness of a child.

All in the name of someone rights.. thats the problem in American I feel, everyone has rights but the children. Who is going to protect them.

And what if that cartoon just so happens to resemble your child, how would you feel for some sick man to be getting his jolly's at the "cartoons" expense.

I guess this is just a sore subject for me..huh!

punkeemunkee'smom replied:
The fact that you brought this very reasoning up almost makes me laugh because I was just talking about it to my husband lastnight on the phone. I am NOT saying that movies with ADULTS engaging in ADULT activity should be censored and yes I understand the difference between fantasy and reality BUT in addictions (to drugs,alcohol,porn) they are usually progressive. It may start as a 'cartoon fedish' but it will progress....IT takes MORE and MORE of the subtance of your addiction to get your fix...Isn't that a pretty dangerous game to play with the innocence of our children?

Insanemomof3 replied:
IT IS A CARTOON! NOT our children. That is the point here.

mom2my2cuties replied: Since I am borrowing my husband's laptop, and can't get it to work with quotes I am going to address a couple of things that have been bothering me about this post. You guys all know my situation, so you can probably imagine I have done A LOT of research into what makes these kinds of people "tick".

1 - Pornography is an addiction and Child pornography is even worse.

2 - This is VERY degrading to children....How is normal pornography degrading to women and YET children being depicted like this not degrading

And now I have to get back to working on my case.

Boo&BugsMom replied: I think what Abbie is trying to say is that it feeds the fetish , period. I am sure whoever finds this entertaining would also look at "regular" child porn entertaining in the same way.

cameragirl21 replied: i don't think there's any reason to bash others and their opinions...we all have our own opinions and we're entitled to them.
i stand by what i said--i have a degree in psychology so i say this with a reasonable amount of education and knowledge that there is NO evidence whatsoever that watching something like this will make one a sicko if s/he isn't one already OR that it will escalate just because of these depictions. the only source of pseudo conscience a psychopath has is the fear of getting caught so a child predator does have a sense that finding a real child and harming that child could lead to his/her incarceration (or worse) so leaving him/her something legal that harms no children to watch actually can decrease the possibility that s/he will seek out a real child...a sicko needs something and this provides something. Brenda, (who also has an advanced degree in pscyh) if i am wrong or if you know of any evidence to the contrary, please feel free to jump in here and correct me.
and it's not a matter of protecting a sicko's right to get his or her rocks if, censorship hurts everyone. first it's this, then it will be something else. this is a free country, i was born in a commie country where people were told what they could watch, what they could read and what they should think. read Fahrenheit 451 and ask yourself if you'd want to live in a censoring society. i do not. JMO of course, as i said earlier.
and the analogy of scary movies is actually entirely valid because real, live children often are used in scary movies...think the Exorcist, she was a teenager but still a child by many people's definition, what about the Halloween movies (where they used Danielle Harris in Halloween 4 and 5 when she couldn't have been more than nine years old or so), what about the Omen, where they used a 6 or 7 year old boy, what about "Bless the Child" where they put a real machete up to a 6 year old girl's neck and dangled her off the top of a very tall building where she'd most assuredly have died had they accidentally dropped her, what about the Friday the 13th movies where they depict a kids' summer sleep away camp? what about Poltergeist?! a five year old girl acted out being taken by evil spirits into their spirit world and her siblings (both children) had to act out the notion of their sister being taken?! there are many, many other examples of scary movies where real children ARE used and these are not illegal, in fact new ones are made every day...think The Ring (2 children used), the Sixth Sense, etc.
i think everyone here has the common goal of protecting our children, we are allowed to have different opinions of how that can best be achieved.

Insanemomof3 replied: Thank you Jennifer, again you hit the nail on the head about what I was trying to point out about movies etc....

TANNER'S MOM replied: Everyone is entitled to their thoughts and opionions. I think for my self.. It's about protecting children. The IMAGE of a child..is just as important to me.

So, what kind of person do you think would enjoy this kind of thing?
Would you let that person alone with you children knowing they like watching cartoons of children doing things NO child should be doing..real or imagined?

cameragirl21 replied:
Mel, i don't think anyone here is saying that a person who watches animated child porn is mentally healthy and should be left to care for anyone's children. the idea here is not to protect or defend the watchers of these cartoons. the issue is how far will we take this...when you start to censor when does it end? that is my issue. of course i believe real child porn should be illegal because children are harmed by it but if no one is harmed i'm not big on the government stepping in and making these decisions for any of us.
for me, this is a fairly good example--as you know, i'm a diehard animal lover and a vegetarian (who eats fish and some seafood, so i'm really a pescatarian, just adding that in so that no one starts pointing out that i said i eat sushi, etc). this morning, for breakfast i had eggs and imitation sausage links...i'm a big consumer of morningstar farms imitation burgers, ground meat, sausage links and patties, chicken nuggets, etc...none of these have any meat or meat by products they are pure soy. but when i ate the soy links this morning, they are designed to taste like pork links and they look like pork links so they do in fact represent animal products, they are merely a meat free imitation for those of us who choose not to eat meat for whatever our reasons may be. i was eating the imitation meat as a substitute for real meat...i will never eat real meat again, the substitute is all i need. the substitute, which completely looks and tastes like real meat actually precludes me from wanting any real meat or missing any real meat, it is absolutely not a first step to my wanting the real thing, in fact it achieves the opposite effect.
now granted i'm not a sicko or a psychopath and eating meat is not the same as using children for porn but the point i'm trying to make is that the imitation is for me the perfect substitute for the real thing and keeps me from wanting the real thing.
but bottom line, everyone here seems to agree that this animated child porn is sick. we're just in disagreement as to how to properly deal with it as a society.

Insanemomof3 replied:
No. I would NOT let them alone with my children. My point is...it is their choice. I choose to NOT watch stuff like that or look at it, but they have the right to do what they want. I would NEVER let my children be around someone like that because that is MY choice.

C&K*s Mommie replied: Disgusting, perverted and sick!
Yes, it should be illegal.

TANNER'S MOM replied:
If it was a cartoon showing something being done to a cartoon animal, would that still be in the rights? Or would you consider it to be wrong? I mean it's not a real animal was this wouldn't be a real child...just the likeness of animal being abused?

lovemykiddies replied: I definitely think it should be illegal. Society's duty is to protect our innocent. It is sick. I am getting my degree in psychology as well, and know that sometimes behaviors escalate and lead to bigger things. I do believe that, once viewing cartoon child porn is not as "effective" for the sicko, they might move on to bigger things.

punkeemunkee'smom replied:

EXCELLENT point! If a cartoon showed violence against an animal-and I'm not talking Tom and Jerry violence here-wouldn't that be seen as a violation of laws protecting animals in your mind?

lovemykiddies replied: Aww, thanks for the welcome! Hope you don't mind I'm just a nanny/babysitter...not a parent yet! I'm 21 so I'm not too old yet!

I feel so strongly about issues where children are put at risk unnecessarily...they are so vulnerable. How could society allow something like that to be legal--what sort of message would that send???

cameragirl21 replied: Mel, if cartoons depicted animal abuse of course i wouldn't like it but i don't like this animated kiddie porn either. i don't think anyone here who says it should remain legal likes it, that is not the point.
the issue is not to protect the rights of sickos who want to watch it but rather that i do not like the idea of censorship, period. i don't want the government telling me or you what we can and cannot watch...and if you make this illegal then what next? it sets a bad precedent.
so to answer your question, in as much as i would deplore depictions of cruelty to animals i would not support making it illegal as long as no animals are being harmed. if someone could show substantive proof that watching these animated depictions increases the desire of those watching to harm animals or children then i would agree it should be illegal but so far there is no evidence to support this claim so i'd rather the government not tell me what i can and can't watch.
doesn't mean i like it because whether it's done to children or animals i find it repulsive and would never watch it, but that doesn't mean i think it should be outlawed.

Crystalina replied: Ok, I'm not one for censorship (although I do alot of cesoring myself with the kids) but here is what is a little scary to me. Ok, we are all assuming that the people watching this stuff are adults since it comes on late at night. We are assuming that the pedaphile, sicko or whatever you call it is an adult. What scares me is that it is readily availabe (since it seems so many of you have seen it, I haven't) and that how do we know that a teen is not watching it? A teen who is home alone because he lives with a single parent who has to work late to pay bills and wait a minute...he isn't really alone because his little sister is asleep in her room. How do we know that this teen isn't sitting there watching this crap every night and one night decides to get up and do the unspeakable? A grown man can control himself (most of the time) but older children are just that...children. Their brains are still developing at that age and if they get hooked on "cartoon porn", since porn is an addiction, then who's to say he won't grow up and continue to abuse children like that?

It needs to be taken off the air.