On the news here... - follow-up to BAC's post 'WHY'

punkeemunkee'smom wrote: They reported on the news here that the nieghbor of that poor baby girl in Salt Lake City confessed to murdering her when she tried to scream for her parents God bless her poor family

Anyway it was followed by a story that there is a bill waiting for the presidents siggy that will set up a national data base for sex offenders that will include where they live and work! I am 100% for this but I know that there will be outcry about violating their rights and such IMO they lost their rights the day they violated someone elses in that way and I am impressed that our government is taking steps to keep them from doing it again I am sure there will be 2 sides to this just as with everything else soooo How do ya'll feel? Should they disclose where these people work as well as live?

Jackie012007 replied: YES!!!! YES YES YES!!! I agree, they give up their rights when they take the rights of others by violating them. In my area we actually had a janitor who had been convicted of a sex crime who live like one block over from an elementrary school and then somehow got employed there... luckily someone in the area figured him out and parents took their kids out of school until he was removed. I am all for rehabilitating criminals but let's not place a kid in a candy store and tell him to keep his hands to himself, KWIM? And I think parents have a right to protect their children, and should be given the knowledge to make an informed decision. There is an even bigger threat now since Katrina, as public records were pretty much destroyed and a lot of sex offenders got their "get out of jail free" card... there is no record to follow them wherever they may go

luvmykids replied: I agree with you, Abbie. I'd love to know what places I frequent with the kids that have sex offenders working there. There was an employee at a public pool here with a horrendous record and it was like a candy store for him. Not saying they shouldn't be able to get employment, but that I should have the choice to expose my children to them or not.

A&A'smommy replied: omg how horrible that poor little girl!!!

I think its a great idea!!!

punkeemunkee'smom replied:

Monica I am going to sound like a ^&*%&^ here but I DO think they should be limited in their employment opportunities! I do not think that anyone convicted of a sex crime especially one involving children should be able to work somewhere that children frequent, a public pool for example is not somewhere a person with this record should be! I am with you 110% in that if they are there I want to know it so I can steer clear of that place! Maybe employers will be more apt to run backround checks if they see that parents will take their business elsewhere!

luvmykids replied:
ITA, I didn't mean they should be able to work anywhere they choose, their exposure to children should be limited not only in the job itself but in proximity to schools, pools, libraries, etc. Just that I didn't mean they can't have a job.

We had another case where a convicted offender was a bouncer at an 18yo and under "nightclub" .... guess what happened there, a 16 yo was found raped and murdered and hidden in a supply closet.

punkeemunkee'smom replied:

Oh I am sorry Monica I did not mean to sound so harsh! I just meant I hate that they seem to have all these rights and the people they hurt are the ones who have to tip toe around the rest of their lives-We don't want to hurt the crimmanals feelings... Sorry It is just a little close to the surface right now!

ETS~ I know we are on the same page on this one! I am just not as nice as you!

C&K*s Mommie replied:

For the first time in awhile, I am unopinionated on a subject. I may not always voice my opinion, but I usually have one. The idea of a national registry has me sitting on the fence. On one hand, yes the businesses will think twice about the hiring of a registered sex offender-- I am gung ho for that. Although that will not stop these perverted, sick twisted minded people from committing these atrocious acts against our children, it will aid in helping a business from having their reputations stay clean. OTOH, if you find that a business or institution has employed a registered sex offender, and you take your business elsewhere it is that business that suffers. Which opens a can of worms with that, esp if it is one of the smaller businesses not big money corporations.

Knowing that there are numerous registered (who knows how many unregistered) offenders living in this town, a handful who are within a small radius of us, and who we likely cross paths with daily is enough to set the fire to my feet. I am not positive about other states, but we have a database here in Florida, that allows the citizens to know who is living nearby that is also registered, so that national registry would be a little buffer to the effective system we have now.

I am still on the fence. I will give this some thought tonight. I agree that their rights were terminated when they laid a hand on an innocent child, no doubt about that in my mind. But knowing where they work... that is where I am unopinionated.

Jeffs Wife replied: I think all info on these preditors should be made public. They have no rights as far as I am concerned. I am a parent of a sexually abused child and I know first hand what damage these monsters cause innocent children.
Everyone should know where they live and work in order to keep their children safe

holley79 replied: In the State of Florida you have to register where you live and where you work if you are a convicted sex offender, sexual pred or a convicted felon. They have tasks forces (at least ours does) which does periodic checks to make sure they are where they say they are. If they move and they don't tell us they get hooked for violation. Sex Offenders/ preds are not allowed to work in schools or anywhere children are.

I'm sorry they lost their rights when they caused harm to another human. They violated someone else's privacy therefore they have none themselves.
JMO

luvmykids replied:
You didn't sound harsh I know it's a personal subject

mom21kid2dogs replied: To me, it doesn't matter where on this issue you stand as long as you understand one fact with clarity. REGISTRIES ARE A WOEFULLY INADEQUATE WAY OF PROTECTING YOUR CHILD FROM SEXUAL ABUSE, period. These systems, administered by us woefully inadequate humans and only address less than half the people who sexually offend in this country, ie CONVICTED AND REGISTERD sexual abusers. For every registered sexual offender in this country there are 6 or 7 more out there unregistered, uncaught and still offending. 3 of them will be persons known and "trusted" by the child they are perpetrating against. 1 of them is likely a juvenile offener.

A good offense is your child's best defense where childhood sexual abuse is concerned. Great parenting around this issue can never be replaced by things as registries and laws. Talk with your children, role play with older childrren, give them the confidence to trust their instincts when something doesn't seem right and the trust level in you to tell, even if threatened. Do not put them in harm's way~take them to the restroom and the pool and watch them. It's way more than "stranger danger", folks. It's not the ones you know about that are gonna get your child. More than likely, it will be the one that isn't registered that offends. Laws and registries can never replace good, hands on parenting.

C&K*s Mommie replied: Well said Cheryl, well said.

BAC'sMom replied: In 2001 a Corpus Christi judge ruled that Sex offenders had to post a sign in their front yard and also put a bumper sticker on their cars. Not sure if they are still doing this over there, but man I would LOVE for that to be the norm ALL over the USA! JMO

Here's an article from 2001
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...756C0A9679C8B63



Well said Cheryl

punkeemunkee'smom replied: Cheryl~ ITA!!! With everything you said! I was just bringing it up because something of this nature has come up in our circle of friends and I am sickened by the lack of protection that is in place against these monsters! We have a state registry too-it can take 6 months for their name to be added and you can find countless names that have address unknown...I know that a national registry will NOT be the end to this growing blackness in our country BUT I am hopeful that maybe it will keep people like this from being able to walk around-crimes unknown-You are right hands on parenting is the only good defense BUT as a mom who trusts litterally NOBODY out of our family and very tight circle of friends-I may have put my child in harms way with someone I would have trusted with my own life, I want to know as much as possible who and where Tay may be confronted with one of these (*^&*^%#%$@&) that could so much as look at her with harm in their minds.....IMO we should tattoo their foreheads with their crime,that is of course if they have to ever see the light of day again!