Speeding Tickets..How to prevent getting one..

mommymommy wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/0...ref=werecommend

This is pretty interesting!

lisar replied: I prevent them from being married to someone related to the sheriff

Calimama replied: How about just don't speed? Crazy I know.

Boo&BugsMom replied:
No kidding. Daaarrrrr!

cameragirl21 replied: Thanks for the info, just what we chronic speeders need. I don't remember the last time I went less than 20 miles over the speed limit, except for in school zones of course.
Just this morning, I ripped down I-95 (a 55 mile zone) at 100mph...my motto has always been "eat my dust".
Oh, and that reminds me, I need to register for traffic school for my last ticket....

~Roo'sMama~ replied:
Wow... I wouldn't want to meet you on the road with my kids in my van! Good thing I live in MN and you live in Florida!

I used to speed a lot, when I was younger and didn't realize the risks. Plus it's too expensive - I got one speeding ticket when I was about 20, and that was enough! having kids really put it into perspective for me too, and of course now with gas prices I usually keep it right at 55. In town I never ever go even 5 mph over - there are too many people around and it's better safe than sorry!

Teesa®© replied:

I'm glad I don't live in the same country!!!!!

It's just not worth it. Especially when you have children


100 in a 55?!?!?!?!?!?!

luvmykids replied: I don't know about FL, but in NM anything more than 20 over is considered reckless driving and they can arrest you on the spot.

Calimama replied:
Wow if I was a cop I'd let you spend time in jail to come up with a new "motto".

cameragirl21 replied:
Same thing here, anything above 20mph over can get you arrested, I guess I've been lucky.
Here, it's more dangerous to drive the speed limit on the highway because no one does and one slow car puts everyone on the road at risk. If you are a good driver, speeding will not make you any less safe unless you have a blowout, obviously those are more dangerous at 100mph than at 55 but I've had 2 blowouts and again, have been lucky. Conversely, if you are a bad driver, going slow won't make you and those around you any safer. In Germany on the Autobahn there is no speed limit and fewer fatalities than here so the proof is in the pudding. And I actually have a spotless driving record, I'm an aggressive driver, no question, but not a dangerous one.

My3LilMonkeys replied:
I have to disagree there. Stopping time is shorter the slower you are going - if an animal runs out in front of your car (not sure if that's a big issue in FL but here in PA hitting a deer is often major damage) or someone slams on their brakes in front of you you have a much better chance of stopping in time or safely swerving if you're going 55 than 100.

cameragirl21 replied:
True, but on the highway, we don't get animals here, on the way to Key West, yes, there are key deer and it's illegal to kill them so obviously they have strict speed limits and I do follow them, I should add that I never speed on the way to the Keys because the cops there are everywhere and they are merciless. And that can be a dangerous road if you go too fast, if anyone here has driven it, you'll know what I mean.
As for stopping, I never ride too close to the car ahead of me and I will admit, I wear out my brakes constantly.
I think it's a question of comfort, I don't do things I feel are unsafe...what feels unsafe to me may feel safe to others and what feels safe to me may feel unsafe to others. I swim with sharks and corner alligators...have been known to mess with rattlesnakes, etc, I admit it's unsafe but I feel safe when I do it, if you don't, then don't do it. And i wouldn't recommend anyone do it if they don't feel safe. It's the same thing with driving--go at the pace at which you feel safe.
I gotta say though, if you can't handle speeding, you'd not last a day in Miami, that's the least of it here.

mckayleesmom replied:
Spotless? Didn't you just get a bunch of tickets? That isn't spotless.

I hardly believe that everyone around you is driving 100mph in a 55 zone. That speed isn't necessary no matter what you tell yourself.

cameragirl21 replied:
Yeah, but I get them dismissed in court or I go to traffic school, if you check my license, it is impeccable.
I'd say the average speed on 95 is anywhere from 80 to 100+. Like I said, if you don't like it, don't do it. You know what they say, though, judge not lest ye be judged yourself.

mckayleesmom replied:
If I look it up, it might say its impecable...but you know that isn't really true. Just because something isn't on your record...doesn't mean its spotless. It's easy for you to say Don't like it, Don't do it, but where is the choice given to those who are hit by somebody just like you who was obeying the law and still had to be peeled out of their car with the jaws of life and possibly forever scarred by what YOU chose to do?

Like I said, you can make any excuse for why you do it, but it is still wrong. This is coming from someone who HAS been arrested for it. I can't believe how stupid I was back then. I could have hurt someone. I can't imagine driving the way I use to with my kids in the car. I didn't go to jail for driving that fast though...mine was for getting a certain amount of tickets in a years time. I think that Florida needs to adopt that law because obviously some people aren't getting it.

stella6979 replied:
I agree. It's one thing to put yourself in danger, but it's another to put others in danger. It's not like they have speed limits just to irritate people, they're to keep people safe.

cameragirl21 replied:
Don't worry, Brianne, I don't think you'll be getting into a car with me anytime soon and you don't live anywhere near me so you are safe. Has nothing to do with my getting or not getting it, like I said, I don't do anything I think is unsafe. And I'm sure neither do you.
I don't like a lot of things people do but I have to live with them, that goes for everyone.

mckayleesmom replied:
I'm safe, but what about the other people around Florida? Just think about it. You are putting others at risk. What happens if someone pulls out in front of you? Granted, it's technically their fault, but you can't stop in time because you are speeding....you both get hurt possibly. You might be the safest driver in the world...I will give you that, but alot of people are not and your driving puts them and yourself at risk. There is a reason why they make speed limits. It might not even be the speeding person that could cause an accident, but it might have been avoidable if no speeding was involved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DrkXvS2k2A

This is a link of 3 teenagers that were killed a while back. This family lost their only children and another family lost their child as well. If you look up their names, the kid driving had not only been in a wreck for speeding before, but had been ticketed as well. I'm sure he thought he was a great driver too. Instead of making him take another driving course or take those tickets seriously, his parents handed him another car. This kid didn't learn a lesson at all and it got him, his sister and her friend killed. The saddest thing of all is that it could have been prevented.

Kaitlin'smom replied:
that might be true in FL but not in ohio, in ohio if you get a ticket it shows up on your record you just might not get points if its dismissed or you go to traffic school. Its a BIG misconception in oh. I have had tons of people tell me they are clan and then bam a couple seepeding tickets shows up, no points but the ticket is still there and dang do some of them get mad.

lisar replied:
Same thing here is Florida. You can get the points dropped but the ticket still shows unless you have it dropped in court. So if the points from school are dropped the tickets still show up for 3 years.

Kaitlin'smom replied:
do the cops there tell these people if you go to traffic court it wont show up?

cameragirl21 replied:
When I get my license checked for insurance purposes it always comes up clean, same thing when a cop stops me BUT in traffic court every ticket that a judge threw away shows up and I'm always standing there like this .
I can see some people feel really strongly about this so I see no point to push it further. I drive the way I drive and I don't believe it endangers anyone. If I thought it did, I'd stop it. I also don't believe speed limits necessarily make us any safer. In the city maybe but not on the highway, statistics prove this. The reason for our 55 mph speed limit is that it was instituted by Jimmy Carter during the 70s oil embargo to save on gas, or so I was told, that was before my time so I don't know for sure.
I think we all have to do what we feel safe with and that is the bottom line.

Kaitlin'smom replied:
like I said I dunno FL rules, it just irkes me when cops tell kids while handing them a ticket go to traffic school and it wont show up on your record..... then they apply for there own insuance and we see all of them and the rates spike.

cameragirl21 replied: I should add, I have zero tolerance for drunk driving and you will never catch me doing that because I feel strongly that that is unsafe. Speeding imo is a whole other ballgame, though.

mckayleesmom replied: I actually like the Illinois law....3 speeding tickets in a 24 month period and you lose your licence for 30 days. I got arrested because I wasn't aware of the law and didn't recieve a notice of the suspension and got pulled over AGAIN. Let me tell you..2 hours in jail scared the bejesus out of me and they didn't even put me in a cell because I was so distraught....They put me in the visitors phone booth until my mom came to get me....Not only did I not drive for about a year after that, but I haven't sped more then 2mph over the speed limit again. I even put my cruise control on in town sometimes.

I thought I was invinsible too until the cops put me in a jumpsuit and made me hand over my underwear and bra because they had pink flowers on them ......It is the most humiliating experience I have ever had to go through....

So Cameragirl...if you are ever in illinois....where white undergarnments and no underwire in your bra...

cameragirl21 replied:
actually, Illinois law as I understand it is pretty tame compared to everywhere else. I remember I narrowly talked my way out of a ticket that would have cost $120 and my good friend who lives in Chicago told me that in Illinois, you'd have to run over and kill a little old lady to get such a high ticket. Boy, I'd go back to the $120 days in a heartbeat, these days the average ticket is 200 bucks.
I'm not afraid of getting arrested and I generally don't have flowers on my underwear though so I think I'm safe.

Calimama replied:
I have a question and I'm honestly just curious because you're right, who are we to judge. When you have kids will you still speed like that?

ETA: When the kids are IN the car with you.

mckayleesmom replied:
My tickets were all over 120 dollars and after the jail...I had to go to court and lost my licence for another 3 months and had to pay a fine. I never got caught more then 10mph over the peed limit either.

cameragirl21 replied:
Brianne, this clearly is a major issue for you as you were obviously traumatized by your experience which explains why you are so adamant on the subject.
Idk, could it happen to me? Of course, it could happen to anyone. But worse things happen to people everyday and everything in life is dangerous to a certain extent. Planes crash right on top of innocent bystanders who were not doing anything dangerous, or so they thought.
I also go running by myself at midnight on a track at a hospital where there is minimal security. I think that is much more dangerous and sometimes if I get to the track and I get a bad vibe, I don't go for my run and instead turn around and go home.
Ultimately, we all have to do whatever we feel is best.

mckayleesmom replied: Yes, I was tramatized by my experience. I have never been in any kind of trouble before at all. I learned my lesson though. I'm just afraid that you are going to get hurt or possibly hurt someone else. I would hate to see you learn your lesson by someone else getting hurt.

luvmykids replied:
Wow, I have to say I'm pretty suprised to hear this from you, who I consider to be community minded and conscientious of how your actions affect others. You're right, it's your call, I'm just a little baffled that you honestly believe driving 100 mph doesn't endanger anyone, including yourself.

cameragirl21 replied:
I never claimed to be easy to understand.
You seem sincere, Monica, but in all fairness, you are fighting the wrong battle. If you want to improve the world, the speeders aren't the problem. And the question of being conscientious and concern for the community and for others is a complicated one...how far are you going to take it? For example, there are studies that link beef to cancer yet parents still feed it to their kids, still eat it themselves and still feed it to their kids' friends. Is that endangering them? PETA (among others) would say yes, some, like yourself I imagine, would say no. So how far do you take it? How much do the decisions you make affect others?
If someone were to show me irrefutable proof that speeding is dangerous I'd probably stop doing it. There is proof that driving drunk is a danger so I don't do it, nor would I ever do it.
But studies show the opposite...that countries that don't have speed limits have fewer accidents and fewer accident related fatalities.
Obviously the laws are in place for us to follow them but how many of us can honestly say we've never broken them?
Remember DVFlyer's morality test? My results showed that I define morality based on the situation at hand...here is proof that test is accurate.

stella6979 replied: Part of being a good driver is obeying all the rules, not just the ones that are convenient. When people speed it also assaults the comfort and driving enjoyment of all safety-conscious drivers.

luvmykids replied:
I'm not fighting any battle at all....your example is apples and oranges. A parent who gives beef to their kids has zero potential to affect you in what might be a life threatening way .

I believe you when you say if you were convinced it's dangerous that you'd stop...I'm just suprised you don't see any risk to yourself and others.

FWIW, and jmho, I think part of the statistics from other countries has something to do with the fact that since there are no speed limits, everyone is driving on the faster side. Here, where a good number of people are obeying speed limits (or at least close to it) then drivers who don't have the ability to cause problems.

cameragirl21 replied:
lol, I am never the fastest person on the road, I usually go with traffic, sometimes I'm one of the fastest but it's not as if I'm the fastest, dodging cars all over the place.
And giving beef to your kids may not affect others but giving beef to others might. I think we don't realize just how much nearly everything we do that we think doesn't affect others really does affect everyone around us.
People stand outside stores and smoke and for me as an asthmatic, it's extremely bothersome but I don't think I have the right to make them stop, do you?

luvmykids replied:
I'm suprised to hear that from you as well

cameragirl21 replied:
why?

luvmykids replied: I suppose because of your stance on other issues that have been discussed in the past, I (apparantly mistakenly) assumed you were more of a "whatever is best for the greater good" type of gal...that your personal preferences leaned towards whatever may benefit the masses regardless of a group of peoples "rights" to do otherwise. Smoking is a perfect example, it would be for the health and well being of many non-smokers if it were outlawed in any public space (which I'm aware is happening)...it just suprised me that you'd say they have the right to smoke although it may adversly affect those who choose not to.

Cece00 replied:
If you keep getting tickets, doesnt that tell you something?

Something like umm...you arent a good driver and you need to slow down?

Just because you "get out of them" doesnt mean what you are doing is safe. You ARE putting other people at risk, bottom line.

There are a lot of ppl who think things they are doing are OK, are not dangerous, will only put THEM in danger and not others. That doesnt make doing whatever they are doing OK.

Besides- its the LAW that you follow the speed limit. Surely you dont believe you are above the law?

Cece00 replied:
The chances of getting hurt in a car accident when you are hit by a speeder and the chance of having a PLANE fall on your head are not even comparable IMO.

I've never been "traumatized" by some sort of situation like this, and I am easily able to determine what you are doing is unsafe.

BAC'sMom replied:

redchief replied: In NJ, Jennifer would have lost her driving privilege long ago. BTW, every driving ticket you've ever gotten is on your driving record and accessible to law enforcement. The "three year" rule is for insurance companies in your neck of the woods - here the golden period of time is five years, if my memory serves me correctly. With all of the tickets Jennifer claims, in NJ, she would have been placed in the state insurance pool (where the bad drivers go - the cost is astronomical), if she didn't have her license revoked by now. It's my guess that Jennifer would actually have lost her license here. Not that such a minor detail as losing one's driving privilege would stop one such from driving.

holley79 replied: Ok so I totally had to respond to this one...

First of all you can only go to driving improvement school 5 times in your lifetime.



The page we refer everyone too...

Jennifer, I'm not sure how you are able to get down I-95 at 100 MPH due to traffic but whatever works for you. I am appalled that you are pleased with yourself and bragging about your high rates of speed. I have lost a few good friends due to someone traveling at a high rate of speed on the Greenway and hitting them. majority of all accidents on the interstates are caused by high rates of speed. With you being of the Jewish belief I guess this doesn't apply to you but I never drive faster then my guardian angel can fly. We have lost officers because they were on the side of the road doing their paperwork well off the shoulder and someone coming from behind at a very high rate of speed kills them. Accident happen and speed makes them happen faster. Too bad there wasn't a way for the judges and the trooper, officers, deputies you are dealing with down there couldn't see how arrogantly you are bragging about your high rates of speed!!!!!!! There are times you speak so intelligently but them this just totally takes away from you.

holley79 replied:
What's wrong with driving high rates of speed. Just makes the funeral cheaper because there is nothing left.

gr33n3y3z replied:
so true

TANNER'S MOM replied: I guess on the whole PETA issue I will say what I decide there effects MY CHILD~! Not anyone else's. I am not taking your life in my hands, I am not taking your friends life in my hands~ And believe me I dont care what PETA thinks of my parenting~!

What I find hard to take is I have heard people, especially PETA people take an animals life as such a sacred thing. What about a HUMAN LIFE~!

To me by saying you are driving 100 miles an hour, you are saying that my child and any ones child driving down that road, life isn't worth slowing down for. Someone in a hurry, someone likes to drive fast, so lets go! Well I hate to tell but you are taking my child's life in your hands. You may think you can control your car, you may think you were a race car driver in your previous life, I don't know~! But I can assure that if you have a blow out, which NO one can predict then you will kill someone. And the law of averages says it will be an innocent bystander driving down the road minding there own business and obeying the law.

I would personally HATE to have to deal with the guilt of hurting an innocent person when all I had to was slow down.

I was in a bad accident one time, I was T Boned by a person who wasn't paying any attention. Not my fault. But I was running about 45. I was going the speed limit. I was hit so hard at 45 that I had no windows left in my mini-van. My husband was driving and broke the steering wheel in half trying to slow down. My motor was actually laying in the middle of the road. My son was 3 years old and buckled up in a 5 point harness car seat. He wore the bruises of the harness that saved his life, in a perfect 5 point black and blue across his chest for about 3 weeks. He couldn't pee for days b/c his kidneys were so bruised. I was on crutches and unable to work for about a month. Dh also. And we were all lucky not seriously injured. Now can imagine someone going 100 miles an hour and hitting me. We would all be dead!

I also think that with the price of gas, and the whole environment thing..who could AFFORD to drive at that speed limit? That doesn't sound real conservative to me.

punkeemunkee'smom replied: I read this topic for the first time lastnight but did not have time to respond to the turn it had taken. I usually let things go when that is the case but today this subject kept weighing on my mind. Taylor and I were just involved in a low speed collision, as a matter of fact, there is almost NO physical damage to our truck BUT I have been in quite alot of pain for the past month and so has my 7 year old child!!!!!! We are now having to have therapy ordered for her as well. She has sustained damage to her back that will need to be corrected and has now pretty much ruined her (and our family) summer. AGAIN I want to stress that we were hit at a low speed (about 30mph). Jennifer, if you think you are not putting others in danger by driving with such reckless abandon-I have to, as a mom and as a person who is dealing with someone else's mistake, angrily disagree! At 100mph you are no where near equipt to handle that vehicle should you have a tire blow out or should a animal dodge in front of you. You brag with such bravado about your reckless driving that it truly angers me! Since you have already said that nobody will change your mind and (I truly believe-you know)made outrageous comments and drawn ***totally imcomparable*** paralels, all I can hope is that if you do ever lose control of your vehicle that you are the only one who is around to be affected by that.............

Just a side note but I wonder what the victims of ALS that you have spent so much time with would tell you about taking the lives of so many in your hands? I wonder if they could tell you how precious the life you may take on the road one of these days with your antics REALLY is!?!

Our Lil' Family replied: As a mother, heck as a human being even, this is a very disturbing thing to read. It's a shame because I believe that those who say, "that'll never happen to me" really do have that exact thing happen to them. You will never know beforehand when your tire will blow or your brakes will go out on you....that alone should scare you enough, for your own life, to keep it within the limits....they are put there for a reason. None of us are above the law!

Teesa®© replied: I hadn't replied to this in a while because honestly, I can't say here what I REALLY think

Anywho, I wanted to reply to TANNER'S MOM and say, OMG!!! I'm SO sorry you were in a crash like that!! I'm SO sorry that you were all hurt , but I am so GLAD that you all survived and are OK!!!

punkeemunkee'smom: [I REALLY have to start remembering everyone's names ] I'm SO sorry to hear that your DD is still suffering. I sure hope that the therapy helps her and still gets all better with no lifetime ill effects.

I've been in a few minor accidents. I hit a big tree while pulling out of a friends driveway [I was going what, 5mph?, lol]. I pretty much just bumped it.

I hit a store once, my ex told me I had PLENTY of room . I pretty much just bumped it, too.

The first time I ever drove was in the winter and I was going down the highway. The snowbank that I hit actually came in handy: it knocked me back onto the road, lol.

Another ex hit me with his car once. When he brought me home, I had ALWAYS walked in front of his car to go in the house. This time I walked behind because he'd pulled a little too close to my Dad's car and there wasn't room for me. He just bumped my legs.

July 25, 1990, at 12.15pm, I was hit by a car while riding my bicycle. I was crossing my green light and he ran his red light at 80. I was 6 months pregnant. He nailed me right on my left side, crunching my left leg between his car and my bike. I flipped over his hood and rolled twice before landing on my head in front of the driver's side front tire. I fractured my ankle, had a concussion and got 4 stitches in my head. I never did find my other shoe or my anklet and my brand new bike - I'd only bought it 3 weeks before! - was kaput. I lost my job - I was working in a daycare and was let go because you just can't chase after toddlers while on crutches! lol and had to quit school because I couldn't get there, nor would I have fit in the desk anymore.

holley79 replied: Accidents are a very scary thing. I spent months in a wheel chair because a 15 yo turned in front of my in an intersection. The speed limit is 45 through that area and I was doing 50. I was 5 over the speed limit. It was a double impact crash and ME the "victim" was the only one injured because I had enough sense about me to cut my wheel in time. Had I not then her passenger would have died and I would have had to live with that even though I was not at fault. I have seen many worse crashes.

It's amazing how you wanted to brag but now you aren't?

redchief replied: Emergency rooms and trauma centers, and more chronically - rehab centers across the country are littered with the results of people who never believed it would happen to them. Cemeteries welcome the heretofore indestructible as well. I only pray that future amateur NASCAR street racing idiots don't take anyone else with them. Unfortunately those same hospitals, nursing homes and cemeteries are occupied by as many or more innocents as the supposedly indestructible.

I often have reason to speed to a destination. I don't because I've seen two of my firemen come together in a wreck while responding to a fire call. I don't because I know what a helicopter ride to a trauma center costs. I don't because no amount of CPR can overcome blood loss. I have red lights and a siren that I use during response, but I still keep at safe speed. Speeding is for the race track - you can take that up as a hobby, and if you tear into a wall you won't take anyone else with you.

HuskerMom replied: I hadn't responded to this one yet because I wasn't sure what to say.

I have seen school buses on the interstate many times and it scares me so bad to think that it could be MY KIDS on a school bus going the speed limit and then someone driving 100 mph. Scares me beyond belief.

I was on the interstate one time going 75 (which was the speed limit) and my front tire blew. Luckily I was able to pull over and no one was hurt. But that could happen anytime. I don't know for sure but I would think that going 100 you probably wouldn't be able to just pull over to the shoulder.

Teesa®© replied:
Scary!!! Glad you weren't hurt!!

Other than being hit while pregnant, the scariest thing was driving with DH with my oldest in the car and once we got out of town, THEN DH "remembers" to inform me that the car didn't have BRAKES!!!! growl: I was like, "EXCUSE ME???? My BABY is in this car!!! I'M this car!!! Do you not care about us at ALL??!!??!!"

We had to "sneak up" on the stop signs - slowing down about a mile away - and had to back up a few times because he "missed" being able to turn. When we got to where we were going, we had to drive around in circles on his friends' lawn till we finally came to a stop!! I told him that I hoped he had access to another vehicle because there was NO FREAKING WAY I was getting in that car with my child AGAIN!

jcc64 replied: Just read through this thread for the first time. I have to agree that there are a lot of holes in the steak vs. aggressive driving argument. Eating an unhealthy diet is a risk to only those who choose to do it, whereas driving like a lunatic is immediately dangerous to anyone whose path you may cross.
Idk where the statistics about the Autobahn came from, but I don't think that analogy applies either. I don't know anything about German highways, maybe there are not a lot of exit ramps, maybe they're designed for that kind of driving, maybe they're not as crowded, who knows? But I've been on 95 before, I've driven on Fla. highways before, and while I agree that the pace of traffic far exceeds the speed limit, that doesn't mean accidents aren't more likely at higher rates of speed, particularly with all those old people down there. It's really simple physics- the faster you're going, the greater the force. It's the difference between a survivable accident and total annihilation. Some might want to take that chance to get somewhere 10 minutes earlier, but I'd rather not be on the road with people like that.
And finally, let's accept the argument that the 55 mph speed limit was enacted for energy efficiency purposes rather than for safety reasons. Shouldn't that be a concern of all of ours' at this point in time as well?