WTH!?!? - 4-yr-old = sexual harassment

my2monkeyboys wrote: Check this out...

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/content/news/...vetouching.html

sparkys2boys replied: geesh, that's sick. How could anyone think that a 4 yr old would be a sexual harasser. It's crazy to say the least.

Hillbilly Housewife replied: Oh for Crying out loud!! When I hug my four year old, he still rubs his face in my chest. Is it sexual? No...it's comfort.



I guess this teacher was uncomfortable...but to call it harassment? From a FOUR YEAR OLD?!

C&K*s Mommie replied: with what Rocky said. My thoughts put into words precisely. Except I have girls and I would never think of the least that it is inappropiate for them to lay their head on my bosom like they do sometimes. It is comforting!

TheOaf66 replied: unreal, this lady needs to get into a new line of work. This PC (politically correct that is) crap makes me want to things are getting way to out of hand and someone needs to slap this lady upside the head and give her a reality check. Of course that would be listed as assault

holley79 replied: How absurd.

grapfruit replied: How could that thought even cross a sane person's mind??? WHY would you think a 4 year old could sexually harrass anybody?!?!?!?

And expelling a 5th grader b/c he said he liked a girl?!?!? Now THAT'S healthy for his poor self esteem. Boys have a hard enough time getting up the nerve to ask a girl out, I couldn't imagine how he must feel now...

Kentuckychick replied:
Get rid of "zero tolerance" and you solve that problem right there!

We discussed a lot of these issues in my social work class this past semester. The problem is, teachers are forced to report these kinds of incidents. I'm not sure about the kindergartner (that's just absurd!) But the 5th grader is definitely a case of zero tolerance.

They don't take into consideration development, or the fact that these are simply children going through milestones and LEARNING!

One girl in my class had a child EXPELLED from her 1st grade class because she brought fingernail clippers and a nail file to school and got it out at lunch. Now come on. Maybe a high school student would know that's against the rules and see how a nail file could conceivably be used as a weapon, but a 6-year-old????
They didn't give a warning, a suspension, nothing. She was seen as having brought an "object that could be used as a weapon" to school and that was that. They had a "zero tolerance" policy even for a baby! It's really disgusting!

Mommy2BAK replied: its a very different world these days

grapfruit replied: You know I bet that 6 yr old JUST got that and was all proud and wanted to show her friends.

Hillbilly Housewife replied:
Well, so could a pencil, a pen, heck even the side of a binder, if slashed fast and hard enough. Why not get rid of those items as well? While we're at it, let's not allow belts and shoelaces, just in case a child would like to strangle another. Let's not allow any forks in the lunch box, either, those could be used to poke some eyes out. Let's also get rid of all the keyboards that could be lifted and bashed against someone's skull, and let's not forget all the electrical outlets must be plastered over. After all, someone might get the idea to electrocute someone else... Let's also not have any toilets, since the water in them can be used to drown someone. Heck, let's all live in little bubbles so nobody has to come into contact with anyone else.

Zero Tolerance? Ok. But it better be ZERO....

gr33n3y3z replied: [QUOTE=Kentuckychick,Dec 21 2006, 12:55 PM] [/QUOTE]
Get rid of "zero tolerance" and you solve that problem right there!

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That is the problem
In our school if a child gets hurt we can not hug them nor can the child hug us we kinda got to just side step it.
Its sad tho bc sometimes they just need a little hug and everything is ok

Edited to add the kids are taught the same as we are as for the not touching and if a teacher hugs or touches them they are to report it

Boo&BugsMom replied: What ever happend to using common sense? My common sense tells me he is 4, and acting like a 4 year old. I guess common sense isn't all that common now a days.

Kaitlin'smom replied:
you cant hug a hurt child? OMG thats terrible. I cant imigine my child getting hurt and no one can console her.

this is really very sad. I gues the questions then is huggin a student or teacher allowed in the school? What is this world comming to?

Kentuckychick replied:
See... this is just sick!!

"Zero tolerance" went from being a potentially good plan revolved around trying to keep drugs, alcohol and weapons (real honest to God, guns and knives weapons) out of schools, to being this absurd thing where no child is safe... or at least they aren't safe to be children. We are treating every child and every teacher as a potential terrorist/child molestor/I don't even know what else and it has to stop.
A kindergartner is most certainly NOT on the same level as a 5th grader and the 5th grader not on the same level as a high schooler and yet, we have the same policies in place for every age group.

Heck I don't see anything at all wrong with a high school student bring a nail file to school, but if it's in the rule book not to do so, then they know not to and that's that and even then a "zero tolerance" policy for something so stupid??? A 6-year-old doesn't even BEGIN to comprehend why that would be a problem... why the heck would/should we want to teach them that something that's not supposed to be a weapon could be one!?!?

And as for hugging children... in my program we are taught that all the children need hugs. What we have to do when a child gets hurt is ask them if they would like a hug... if they say yes, then and only then is it okay... I can't believe you can't hug at all, that breaks my heart for you and the children! I'd call their mom's up just to come to school and hug them when they get hurt, or at least for permission if I felt they really needed one!!!

I hug the kids I babysit ALL.THE.TIME... even the 8-year-old asks for a hug every now and then. Kids need to know that they are cared for.

I know the world is different now, but it just feels like we're going a direction that will effect everyone negatively in the end.

Kirstenmumof3 replied: That's just wrong!

jem0622 replied: Gotta love the idiots in the next county over from me, eh? I think that the adults interpreted it as one thing...but if you asked the kids then they could care less!

lisar replied: Okay that would mean almost every 4 year old I know would be considered that. Thats just stupid. Some people just blow my mind.

Insanemomof3 replied: This is one reason I am glad I was never in public school. I went to christian schools and hugging was a part of life. People make me sick.

My3LilMonkeys replied: This is reason # 3,621,054 why I HATE zero tolerance laws....

my2monkeyboys replied:
I agree. To disallow a basic human need, esp in a young child, is just awful. It's amazing what a hug can do for someone. Not to sound sappy, just being truthful. You all know... you're moms!
Zero tolerance is just another decent idea that's had it's boundaries way overstepped.
Poor kid.