What do you think? - Madonna

holley79 wrote: The link for the story.

Madonna

JMHO, I DO not agree with it one bit. Unfortunately she has the right to freedom of speech. The choice I will make is not to watch it. I think NBC is mainly looking for ratings.

CantWait replied: Can't read the link, but if it has anything to do with her mock crusifiction. NO WAY, I think she should be crucified for real.

C&K*s Mommie replied: LMAO!

mom2my2cuties replied: It is the mock crusifiction -

And I think this is an abomination! And I totatlly agree that she should be cruicified for real.

I know she has a freedom of speech, but I think it is a horrible thing to portray. Religion aside - It is horrible way to die and it's horrible to portray it like that.

cameragirl21 replied: I think part of the beauty of being an American is that everyone has the right to free speech and part of the downside of that is that at least someone is bound to be offended or upset by someone else's free speech.
In principle, Madonna, as usual, aims to shock and as usual, she's accomplished what she's set out to accomplish.
In the end, people will draw their own conclusions about her and her actions, as you have and as have others and this will ultimately determine who among her fans still wants to be a fan and who doesn't.
Madonna is nothing if she can't shock people and it seems she knows that. It's largely what separates her from the likes of Britney Spears and Paula Abdul....

Kaitlin'smom replied: I dunno, I do think this might be taking it just a bit to far, but then it is Madonna. WHile I do kinda expect this from her and TBH she is about the only one who could pull this off, do I think its right. NO why would you want to glamorise dieing like that?

holley79 replied: One of the morning personalities I listen to in the mornings made a very good point. If she was mocking any other religion there would be riots and bombings. Luckily for her Chistians are very forgiving people and resort to violence. On the other hand NBC, I feel, is kind of setting themselves up for problems.

A&A'smommy replied: NO it should not!!!! End of story!!

mckayleesmom replied: Well...I really have no opinion because I could care less about what Madonna does, but if you don't like it, don't watch it....Everyone is so quick to be offended by things these days, when in reality...you have a choice...Don't watch it.


I think Madonna is just grasping at straws these days anyways.....its really time for her to retire if you ask me.

Crystalina replied:
I agree. I also agree that this is America and we all love the freedom of speech part (some only if it is what they want to hear). Jesus was not the only one crucified, there were many before him and many after him. I am Catholic and it doesn't bother me what Madonna does. It's her choice. I do, however, think it is tacky but I'm not horrified by it. What she does on stage will not change my faith whatsoever so let her do what she will.

::ETA::
I voted yes. Just because we don't want to see/hear it doesn't mean she shouldn't do it.

MoonMama replied: MHO..NO NO NO! Sorry but this is how I feel on the matter. I don't agree with it one bit.

MomToJade&Jordan replied: I say no, but like others I just won't watch it. I was raised catholic myself, but I don't think it's the crusifiction that bothers me as much as Madonna trying to get attention again.

luvmykids replied: My first reaction is . I won't give her the opportunity to get much more than that out of me.

TheOaf66 replied: doesn't make any sense, she is doing it for publicity etc so she will use all the negative attention for $$$$$. I don't like it at all and maybe we'll get lucky and she will fall off her cross.

kimberley replied:
i agree

Maddie&EthansMom replied: It's okay to say "just don't watch it" but by airing it on national TV, it becomes another thing in this world that is acceptable. That's why I have a problem with it.

punkeemunkee'smom replied:
EXACTLY my point! (see cameragirl's thread on crucifixion)

PrairieMom replied: I really have to see it before i can make a real judgement. What song does she sing while doing it?

luvmykids replied:
I guess I'm being daring by saying this but the problem (IMHO) is not only that she is doing it, but that so many are saying "What's the big deal?"

mckayleesmom replied: But...by getting worked up over it...You are giving in to exactly what she wants.

Jolyn replied: I won't be watching but i wouldn't have watched it anyway.

I think she's full of herself and could care less to watch.

Heather77 replied:
I agree!!

Crystalina replied:
I'm not saying "what's the big deal?", what I'm saying is that this is America and she has the right to hang herself off of whatever she wants be it a cross or a tree. I can't remember who wrote it in the other thread but it read..."you've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything." First of all I love that song secondly though the next line read..."You've got to be your own man not a puppet on a string." If we all thought alike and wanted to see the same thing then we would all indeed be puppets. I'm not saying in any way that I agree with her nutty way of thinking but I do believe that if we take that right away from her because some people see it sacreligiouse or a disgrace to the Catholic church then where do we draw the line? If she wants to disgrace the church then let her and she will surely pay the consequences on Judgement Day. When we start telling people what they can and cannot do when it comes to religion or anything else for that matter then we will be just like what we see on the news everynight. I don't understand how Americans can love to be American but then when it comes to one of the great things about being American (Freedom of Speech) they want to bend it to their way of thinking. BTW, this is to no one in particular on this site. I know many many people that are like this IRL. I just don't want anyone to take this as I'm going after one person. It may sound like that. It's just anyone who thinks like this.

luvmykids replied:
I agree with you that it is a pretty rhetorical question, "Where do we draw the line?", there really isn't one, if there is it's pretty blurred IMHO. I don't have any issue with her using her freedoms, and she's entitled to them as much as the next guy, I just think it's sad when nothing is off limits in the name of "freedom of speech". Isn't anything sacred anymore? Not just religion, just seems to me that so many things are accepted that for my taste I wish weren't

TBH I couldn't care less about Madonna per say, she's just another example to me of what some people will do for fame/money/attention/etc.

cameragirl21 replied: btw i also wanted to add that i do understand why some of you are upset and don't want you to think that just because i'm Jewish that i don't understand or don't care about your feelings. there is no question that what Madonna is doing is offensive to many and it's definitely obnoxious, without a doubt. it would be nice if people always took the feelings of others into account when they went about their actions but quite often people do things just to rile people up, which is exactly what Madonna is doing.
i'm not supporting what she's doing i'm simply saying that i support free speech for all, even if i don't agree with them. for example down here in FL, we have our fair share of redneck boys bearing confederate flags which i really hate. sometimes they have them on their pickup trucks and sometimes they have accompanying bumper stickers with some obnoxious racist comments to boot. i've become angry enough to pick fights with these people at times but then i had to realize that this IS their right, no matter how much i may not like it or take offense to it. unfortunately it's the reality of the situation.
as to where you draw the line, i guess maybe suffice it to say that as long as Madonna puts herself on the cross then that's her problem and her business, the day she starts firebombing churches or plotting to kill priests (or worse) is when she's crossed the line.
the way i see it, it's a fine line and we all have the potential for moments of insanity but we all know how far we can go before we cross that line. for a psychopath, like the kind who firebomb churches, etc, they don't see a line to be crossed and that to me is where the real danger lies.

punkeemunkee'smom replied:

That was me and I wasn't thinking of a song when I said it....It is a saying that I have heard since childhood. I was not saying we should all think alike. The fact still remains that if I were to make fun of something you hold true you would be able to cry foul and say it is wrong that your freedoms have been infrindged upon,so therefore why is it any different for me to do the same?

msoulz replied:
Yep, ITA. Madonna is, IMHO, a marketing genius. She knows what to do to get the attention, which sells her stuff.

I too could care less about what she does. I find it fascinating that she is able to outrage so many people. She can exercise some kind of power over others. Perhaps that is part of her thing too.

I don't see how this is any different than Mel Gibson putting out a movie on the subject, except that he followed the story. Didn't hear too many Catholics complaining about that.

And, FYI, I was raised Catholic. Not wanting to offend or inflame anyone, just stating my thoughts like everyone else.

cameragirl21 replied: msoulz, i don't know your name but i have to say you and i would definitely get along. and i know what you mean about offending and/or flaming anyone but i'm coming to realize that some people will just get offended no matter what you say, no matter if you meant it or not.
at least that's the case with anything I say, that's for sure....

punkeemunkee'smom replied: Jennifer~ I was just trying to point out that preconcived notions are everywhere and there are things that upset you and your beliefs just like there are things that upset me and mine even if the lines that they cross are not the same,KWIM? Freedom of speech is a right that I fully support too.I will not ever tolerate MY rights to speak my mind(which oddly is not always so opposed to your views ) I think that it goes without saying that some things will people say,do,display or toute will get blasted as hate and intolerance while others,although no less offense to some groups of people will be passed off as art or freedom of expression. I understand your outrage at anti-judaism-I am right there with you (have an aunt that escaped Nazi Germany) but I also must say that the Christian religion has not been without persacution. Kings burned Christians in their gardens as torches and burned them in ovens too,they were fed to lions and still are shot and hung,even drawn and quartered for their beliefs in countries across the world today I really honestly could not give 2 flips if Madonna wants to put herself on the cross in her concerts but I fail to believe that if she put a nazi uniform on and burned a cross instead of hung from one-the pervading feelings would be so tolerant....

Crystalina replied:
First of all I don't think being called a Redneck is a derogatory statement. Jennifer may have meant it as one but this is exactley what I'm talking about. To her it may be an insult to you it was obviousley taken as an insult but to me ...not an insult at all. I'm married to the biggest Redneck around. He loves being a Redneck and I love that he is. You call him a Redneck and he will take it as a compliment. We have no Confederate flags though because he knows that I will hang him with it and he does not agree with it. That is his chioce. I look at the confederate flag as disgusting but there are many pick-up trucks that pull up in my yard displaying them. That is their right. I would prefer them not to have them but that is what they want to do. They are still great people I just don't share some of their beliefs that they are kind enough not to discuss with me. Sometimes I think the flag is more for an "image" anyway.

Crystalina replied:
That is not true. I do not take anything personaly unless I am attacked personally. My religion is personal but at the same time my religion is also the religion of so many others. There is bound to be mocking and people who don't believe and whatever else. The only thing that gets to me is to have my family or myself personally insulted. That is one thing that I pride myself on. Other things don't get to me. They are really meaningless compared to what I think is important.

amynicole21 replied:
I feel the same way. I agree that NBC is just looking for ratings, though.