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Who Will Save The Babies? - Warning! ***Controversy on Abortion***


coasterqueen wrote: WARNING!!!! Link is on Late-term abortions.

I have always made it known that I am pro-choice, but I will have to say I'm pro-choice for many reasons, but this article just sickens me. I do NOT believe in late term abortions at all. My aunt and uncle from Kansas will be visiting for Thanksgiving and I plan to pick their brain on this subject since they are from that area.

Who Will Save the Babies?

lisar replied: Okay I am not against someone getting an abortion for the correct reasons.

However a late term abortion is a whole other story with me. I think there should be a REAL medical reason. Being depressed to me isnt a medical reason. There are so many people out there who cant have kids who would be the best parents. I just think its sad to know that there is a dr out there who will do anything for money. Cause thats what it boils down to, is money. I just dont like it. And this is just my opinion.

mummy2girls replied: im for pro-choice but late term abortion is simply wrong IMHO. At this point the mom can have the baby and if she does not want it that much then adoption would be best. I know it would be hard to give up a child but wouldnt you rather give the child a life rather than snuff it away that way. i read up to injecting poisin into the womb and i cpouldnt go further... SICKOS!!!!!!!!!!

jcc64 replied: I am not a fan of late term abortion either, Karen, but I would be careful about what you interpret as a "news" article. Clearly, this reporter has an agenda and a strong bias, and I would hazard a guess that some of the "facts" presented are embellished, distorted, or otherwise perverted to make a point. As I've said many times here on this board, abortion is a tragic event at any point in a pregnancy, but unless and until we become the kind of society that TRULY cares for its impoverished young, not just with rhetoric, campaign slogans or bumper stickers, but by funding vital social programs and health care, and addressing the fact that the VAST majority of those living below the poverty line are children, then abortion will be a necessity.

coasterqueen replied:
I contemplated on giving the link or pasting the story since who wrote it could be controversy in itself wink.gif I happen to like him, though. I don't think it matters whatsoever who wrote the story, IMO. I think what was shocking is the fact that there are that many late term abortions going on. I honestly thought that late term abortions where illegal unless TRULY medically necessary to save a life, etc. So, I personally, don't have a problem with whatever agenda a person has, the story is still that - late term abortions are happening and a LOT of them are happening in this particular place.

I believe every "news" story has a hidden agenda, democratic or republican in nature. That's just a given wink.gif.

CantWait replied: No words can describe how sick that SOB is. How can you sleep at night knwoing what you do on a daily basis???? OH the $5000 must help a lot.
That's just heartbreaking sad.gif

jcc64 replied:



I don't agree here, Karen. There are some media outlets, this one being one of them, that make no effort to at least get the facts straight. The sensational IS the story and truth becomes a casualty. To me, it's not a minor contention- it's irresponsible to misrepresent information about another person as "fact" or investigative journalism when in reality it is propaganda. I don't think the loss of objectivity in the media is a minor aside- it's at the center of the storm, imo. If someone decided to write a story about you or your family in your local paper, and packed it full of misrepresentations in order to make a point about what an idiot Karen N is, the damage would be done. Whether or not the story was true, people would forever look at you differently. You're not out performing late term abortions, but perhaps alot of what this guy is being accused of isn't exactly how it's being represented. And with Bill O'Reilly behind it, I'd guess there were quite a few liberties taken with the facts, that's all I'm saying.

coasterqueen replied: True Jeanne, I do not think anyone has the right to blast misinformation about anyone. I guess what I was saying is that every article has a hidden agenda. Does that make it right? No, but it is true.

Like I stated previously, I was more shocked that late term abortions are actually happening. As I also stated I honestly did not know that it was legal. I know abortions up to a certain gestation period was legal, which from my past knowledge was 4 or 5 months, but anything later than that I did not know was legal. That was what shocked me about the article the most. As far as if this doctor does it for people who are just depressed, I have no idea if that's really true or not. Which I understand was Bill's agenda when writing the article - was to blast the doc for doing it for any reason. Something tells me that this doctor may have just done it for another reason. Money does make people do strange things and I'm a bit of a cynic so I tend to think people don't always do good. I know, something I need to work on, but I just can't believe this doctor is completely on the straight and narrow and I didn't need to read Bill's article to believe that.

Here's the good doc's website if you or anyone else is interested: http://www.drtiller.com/mainpg.html

He does state you have to have a serious medical reason to terminate so late in the pregnancy, though. What I found interesting is the link on Chaplaincy program and how abortion is widely accepted in many religions. bigthink.gif That is for another thread though. happy.gif

Crystalina replied: I'm pro-choice but I do not believe in this type of abortion. I'm sorry but the decision to abort a pregnancy needs to be made very early on. If you can't make up your mind until the baby is formed then there is something wrong with you. There has to be something wrong with any woman who would have a late-term abortion period. mad.gif She would need to have her head examined. I've seen very very graphic pictures of a late-term abortion being done from start to the gruesome ending. It was horrible. I think anyone contemplating an abortion such as this should be forced to see those pictures and find out what will become of the child they are carrying by the time it's over.

TANNER'S MOM replied: Well I am pro choice.. but I believe this kind of thing is what hurts the whole dang cause. What kind of person could do that to a viable fetus for money, I mean he is bending the law to suit his pocket book and thats what makes it beyond wrong.

redplaydoh replied: I have to say I have a friend from Connecticut that traveled to Kanas to see this specific doctor, Dr. Tiller. She had a late term abortion that no other doctor was allowed to perform. She found out at her 18 week ultrasound that something was wrong with her baby. After waiting to be scheduled for other more specific tests she found out her baby had 0% chance of survival after birth. There were heart defects, no kidneys, no brain and a host of other abnormalities... the problem now (because of waiting for the tests) was that she was beyond the legal limit to abort her baby.
It was killing her inside knowing her baby would not survive for even seconds after birth, but that she now had to carry this baby to term and deliver him. She found out about Dr. Tiller and went to him and he aborted the baby.
I am not a supporter of late-term abortion for no reason, but when I asked more about how he was able to do this and IF he did so on healthy pregnancies she assured me he only did so for ethical reasons such as abnormalities in the fetus or health risks for the mother.
I think before we pass judgement we need to have to whole story and not just what one reporter states in a news article.

coasterqueen replied:
I am sorry for what your friend went through and I can't say I know how she feels because I don't.

I wanted to mention as I stated before I passed judgement by saying I was shocked after reading the article that late term abortions are legal. If that is a bad passing of judgement I apologize. I also put a link in the thread to the Dr's website as to let everyone make an informed judgement. I never just read one article and make my decision, I research as well. This article brought to my attention that I was not aware of late term abortions being legal and that I guess I need to research that.

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jcc64 replied: I think it's a state by state thing, Karen.

mom2my2cuties replied: Karen - I think what you are thinking of is Partial Birth Abortions - And I do believe those are illegal.

I am actually shocked you guys have never heard of this guy before. He is the most promenient late term abortionist in the world. Or at least in the Western World.

I have never hidden the fact that I am pro-life. Usually I am pretty outspoken about it. But while I would LOVE it if every life were given a chance, I do know that if all abortions were illegal, there would be boiler room doctors performing them and there would be even more complications than if they were legal and available when they are "needed".

I did a paper on this guy while I was in College for my medical ethics class. And did some research on my own into him. Based on one of his VERY public and VERY botched cases during which he treated the family horribly - meaning the adoptive family of the child, Sarah. Yes - he screwed up and the baby lived, survived until age 5. And her death was a direct result of the Digoxin (KCI Solution) Also - Sarah's autopsy revealed that had the Digoxin not been given to her, she would have had a healthy birth. Also, her mother's prenatal records that were released showed that she was healthy before the abortion was attempted.

Also - when I did my paper on him - at that time - out of the over 2700 abortions he had performed, just shy of 700 were done for fetal abnormalities. (699 to be exact) However, the bulk of these abnormalities weren't life threatening, but they were some that a lot of women do and have considered abortion for. Such as Down Syndrome, Hydrocephalus. He also reports to the State of Kansas that he perfroms roughly 600 post 22 week abortions each year.

ETA - (Have I mentioned my Internet connection sucks friggen toes lately??? Stupid hotel) I added some more information above about Sarah.

TANNER'S MOM replied:
In most states in cases like your friends.. it's legal to do late term abortions. She wouldn't need to travel to him.. she could do it for that reason. A non valiable pregnancy or a mothers life in danger is the except that makes it legal.

coasterqueen replied: Tish, that is interesting. I definitely want to find out more about this guy.

The reason why I am pro-choice is because I know too much about the type of abortions that went on in my mom's time when it wasn't really legal and not acceptable at all and she had friends who died from horrible attempts at abortions. I know a baby dies too and who chooses which life to save - the baby or the one is already a part of this world outside of the womb? I don't know, not for me to choose for anyone that's why I'm pro-choice.

Anyways, setting that all aside I found this link stating things he says in a video he hands out (and it includes audio): http://www.dr-tiller.com/elective.htm

This clearly states that he doesn't just do late term abortions for real necessary medical issues. So I'm not sure Bill was very far off with his "acqusations".

punkeemunkee'smom replied: This man, I don't even like to call him a doctor, is a twisted individual...If you were to research the practice of late term abortions and how they are achieved-convicted rapists and murders are treated more humanly, when carrying out their death sentences. What happened to 'First do no harm...' These children are murdered quite litterally seconds before they would draw their first breath--It makes me sad and sick. I really don't believe that the angle from which the article is written makes this procedure anything more or less than what it is-legal and lucrative hommicide sad.gif

mom2my2cuties replied: What REALLY bothers me the most about this character. (I agree Abbie - Doctor for him is pushing it a little too far) Is that when there ARE serious complications, that he refuses to allow his patients to go to the Emergency Room. And has gone as far as having his nurse send the ambulence away and drug the patient so she can't say otherwise.

Karen - I can send you that information I have about him here - I have a ton more at home, but since I am on a borrowed laptop, I don't have a lot - if you want. Some of it is pretty graphic so I hate to post it.

coasterqueen replied: Tish,

Thank you for the offer, but I think I'll nosey around the web myself. I, oddly enough, love doing that. happy.gif

I just found this interesting article on how Bill got his info for his show/article: http://www.cjonline.com/stories/110506/leg...illykline.shtml

Interesting. bigthink.gif Obviously I'm sure something will be done because of the whole patient record privacy thing and you know Dr. Tiller's team will make sure that's the reason they are fighting this whole thing, not for the real reason wink.gif

mom2my2cuties replied: Tillers team is asking the Kansas Supreme Court to do a probe into Bill O'Riely- But I can't open the link - Dang it growl.gif



What gets me is that Tillersays directly and flat out - No Child has been born alive while under the care of his clinic nor has any mother died - yet his own staff contridicts him. mad.gif

coasterqueen replied: Well for those who wants facts beside O'Reilly's story here you go: http://www.abortionessay.com/files/Tiller.html. It's filled with statistics.

Again, I feel like a hypocrite in some ways, I will admit that. I am pro-choice, I am for the right of those who wish to abort BUT I do not agree with late term abortions whatso ever and IMO the method at which this doctor does it and how it's legal to do it to a 40week old baby is what sickens me. I know that it's just as horrible to do it to any gestational age but I feel in my heart that there is a difference in how a baby knows what is going on between a few weeks and 40 weeks. I really don't want to debate that and I didn't post this whole thread as a debate for pro-life versus pro-choice. I am just really in shock that the law allows these things and after reading the link above and how it's legal to even do it to a 40 week old baby. OMG.

I'm sorry if this causes any controversy on here. My intention was just of one where I wondered how many others really knew that these types of things are going on. Do you really think those who are pro-choice ever intended for the legality of such late term abortions? I wonder. I know it was not MY intention to agree to pro-choice with that being the case. sleep.gif

TANNER'S MOM replied: Karen I am like you.. I feel the same way as you. I am pro choice for the fact of womens rights.. my body my choice..and to be honest I dont know what I would if it were my daughter in need.

But this is sickening to me and it defeats the whole purpose. To me this man is twisting the law to be in his favor. A 40 week baby is sad.. I mean once you feel that baby move and know it can breath is a bit different to me too. No I dont want to debate how..but I am just saying Karen I agree with what you say. Us Pro Choice aren't without a heart.. and I do believe that we have LAWS for a reason.

punkeemunkee'smom replied: Karen, hug.gif I think that your desire to know what you support is admirable-for me that was when my decision was made-I was shown a film in an advanced science course and for me there was no denying that the 'procedures' being preformed were destroying a life-in it's inception all the way through. It is challanging to do the research-to read the stories written by either side of the fence...There is not much you can do to word a medical procedure in anyway other than how it is done-there can't be alot of 'spin' put on medical instructions. You can/will find all you need to know on this subject online. I will tell you that some of what you read/see will never leave you and none of it is easy to take....



This article is written from just a medical standpoint and you may find it interesting. Not trying to debate at all-just helping you in your search wink.gif
Fetal Devolpment

cameragirl21 replied: in principle, i'm not a big fan of Bill O'Reilly (big surprise, huh? wink.gif ) and i do think he wrote this to serve an agenda as i am very much pro choice BUT i think this doctor is just using the desperation of some women to terminate their pregnancies as a means to get rich.
charging 5k for an abortion that no one else will dare do is pure business and is IMO dirty money.
i have no respect for Dr. Tiller even though i do believe sometimes, if the health of the baby or mother is in question, a late term abortion can too be a necessity....
JMO of course.

gr33n3y3z replied:
I agree 100%

I feel the mother made a choice and got preggo and now the baby has a choice to live. (this is under normal circumstances)

Boo&BugsMom replied: I'm actually quite speechless. I am pro-life, no matter what, so reading that just made my heart sink.

Brias3 replied: I'm a firm believer in the idea of not judging until you have walked in someone's shoes. With that being said, I'm pro-choice for many reasons. However, I DO agree with everyone who thinks reading this was disgusting. It is horrible that something like this is allowed to happen for no good reason.

Granted, even someone like Dr. Tiller deserves to have the facts printed, and this DOES seem like a biasedly-written article, but it doesn't make it any less saddening to hear how easy it is to get rid of a being at such a late point that could very well be born perfectly healthy.

Crystalina replied: To clarify my post....after reading Tish's first post I realized that the gruesome abortion I saw pictures of from start to finish were pictures of a "partial-birth abortion" and not a "late-term abortion". To me a partial-birth is a late-term but apparently not the "same thing" as to how they are done. Just got a pm. Wanted to put that out there.


I'm pro-choice because there are cases like rape or when a woman gets pregnant and for medical reasons pregnancy could kill her. The pill doesn't alway work and cases like that happen. I don't think a woman should be asked to put her life at risk if she becomes pregnant while trying not to.

However I do not agree when people use abortion as a form of birth control. If a woman uses no birth control and gets pg "just because" then yes, I think she should follow through with the pg and if anything give the baby up for adoption. But unfortunately we cannot tell one lady to follow through with the pg because she was irresponsible and didn't use protection while we tell another that because she was raped or because her body may shut down while either carrying the baby or shortly after that she may have an abortion.

I'm not trying to knock anyones views on this but in my mind I can't understand why "pro-lifers" would think that some woman should not have an abortion. If anyone would like to fill me in I'd love to hear it. Either on here or in a pm if you don't want to start a huge pro-life, pro-choice debate. wink.gif How can you say that a woman who has been raped should not have an abortion? And when I say "you" I do not mean anyone inparticular. Just "you" as pro-life in general.

MyBabeMaddie replied: Why do the mothers have to wait that long if they want an abortion!? I am pro choice but not if the baby is viable - There are wonderful people who would give an arm and a leg for that baby. Thats really sad sad.gif

Nina J replied: I'm pro-choice under the right circumstances, but late term abortions sicken me. A baby can survive if it's born at 25 weeks gestation, and even earlier. In my opinion, it's the same as giving birth to the baby and then murdering it. I think it should be illegal to abort if you are over 12 weeks pregnant, unless you have exceptional circumstances then maybe 12-15 weeks or something. For myself, I probably wouldn't abort if I were more than 8 weeks pregnant.

Boo&BugsMom replied:
Crystal, I am pro-life because I feel it's not our job to play God, plain and simple. I feel everything happens for a reason and that it is put in God's hands and I trust him to do his justice. I can't answer it any more clearly than that. I understand why some people don't see it that way, and that is fine, but I just don't. I am not going to try to explain it further or answer anymore about it because it is a touchy subject for many and I believe that I and everyone else is entitled to their own opinion without blasting anyone else for theirs. Not that I think you or anyone else has done that so please don't take it as that, but I know if the discussion continues it may come to that, and I'd rather it not. smile.gif So, my opinion is based on my biblical beliefs and that is that. I'm not sure if I answered any of your questions as to why, but I answered because I really don't want this to get into a life vs. choice debate because when it comes down to it, opinions should be respected, and I still respect anyone elses that is different than mine even though I don't agree. smile.gif

coasterqueen replied: Thank you everyone for being very civil in this thread. hug.gif

It was never my intention to make it a pro-life, pro-choice, pro-anything thread. I know this is a very touchy subject and we all have very strong beliefs on this. I know the article I posted may be somewhat biased and not have all the facts, that is why I posted other links as well as factual state evidence. I contemplated on posting it in the first place because of the controversy it could stir, but I was so shocked that this was going on and couldn't believe I didn't know it, kwim?

Again, thanks. hug.gif

gr33n3y3z replied:
I agree so much with that
Nor would I think anyless of anyone for feeling diffrently then I do.

If it comes down to Medical its a diffrent story

Crystalina replied:

It doesn't have to turn into a debate at all and like I said I'm not knocking anyones views. I've had a few people respond in a pm and they explained their views.

I will end by saying that yes, I firmly believe that everything happens for a reason. That is my motto in life and it has been for the last 5 yrs. But at the same time I think that we should take our life in the direction we want it to go and not in a differant direction because a man decided to rape a woman. I'm not saying that when a woman gets pg by rape she should automatically terminate the pg. That would be up to the strength of the woman. Some would be able to raise the child and love it, the weaker ones would not and why should they? Also a woman who has been advised not to get pg because of her health. Doesn't she have the right to terminate a pg? If she is in her early 20's why should she kill herself to bring a baby into the world that she tried to prevent? If it were my daughter I would not want her to lose her life so young and I would personally get her to a doctor to terminate. To me that is no differant than a mother or anyone who has found out that they have a form of cancer. Wouldn't you fight to live or would you throw your hands up to the heavens and say "God wanted this." I'm sorry but I live by that motto also and I was born and raised Catholic but at the same time I will fight God tooth and nail for my life and I think most would. Thank God I'm healthy and do not have that problem but there are many many women out there who have to prevent pg everyday for their own health. Yes, they could get a hysterectomy but why should they?

And it's kind of hard for this not to come up in a thread like this when almost everyone said they are pro-choice or pro-life in their posts. My Pm box is always open. hug.gif

I just reread this and I just want you to know it is not meant to be as crabby as it sounds. rolleyes.gif It's just coming out that way in type. It would be nice if we could have a forum where we talk instead of type. Then everyone would know how it's meant to sound.

holley79 replied: I can only say one word since reading the article, SICK sad.gif

jem0622 replied: I am pro-choice, but I do not support late term abortions. JMHO. If I knew that I was carrying a child who would not live more than five minutes then I would take that five minutes that the good Lord intended for me to have.

Boo&BugsMom replied: Crystal, I totally understand why you or anyone else would see it that way. For a long time I did too, until I thought some things through. And no, you didn't sound snotty. wink.gif smile.gif I also know that not everyone has the same faith I do, which can make it hard to see it the way I do. Even those who do have the same faith, everyone interprets things differently too, and I can respect that. smile.gif

Let me tell you a little story. My cousin had cancer when she was 4 years old. She miraculously got better after having an almost zero percent chance of living. At that time it was a rare form of cancer that took over her body, but by God's grace (I believe) she got better. When she got married and got pregnant with her first child, she found out she had cancer again in her first trimester of pregnancy. The doctors pushed her to get treatment and everything and abort the baby for her own life. She refused. This is also a very rapid spreading kidney cancer. She had the baby. They took him early, but he is now a healthy happy (sometimes a pain laugh.gif ) almost 4 year old boy. Since then she has gone through multiple surgeries, got a kidney removed, some ribs, and other tissues in her body and is now CANCER FREE! She is healthy, her boy is healthy. She not only is a survivor but has this precious boy to raise. She let God take control and in the end, she was rewarded. Now, think about if she would have listened to her doctors! She took a chance on God instead of playing God. She decided that life inside her was more precious than anything else. If she fought God, she could be dead today, with no baby boy, and her husband a windower. I wholeheartedly believe God rewarded her for letting him taken control of the situation and trusting in him. I also know though, that not everyone has the strength to make a decision like she did. We are all human and we react in these situations differently.

The story is one of a few that I have that prove God's love within our family and I wanted to share. wub.gif It's just one reason/story why I confirm my opinion in being pro-life.

Karen, I am glad you posted this because I think this doctor needs to be put away and I think its good for everyone to be aware of his "lack-of" professionalism. Being informative is always a good thing! smile.gif

Crystalina replied:
I agree. This doctor is sick.


I'm glad everything worked out for your cousin. I also have heard of doctors saying don't do it and a woman does it and everything turns out great. But at the same time (just like with rape) the woman should be able to make her choice whether she wants to risk it or not. kwim? I'm not saying they should not risk it but it should be a descision made by the womam without critisisim from others.

I also have faith in God but I do admit I question him at times. My neice lost her life in a horrible way 3 mos. ago. She was only 23 mos old. Just like you I have many stories that prove God's love but I also have a few that aren't so pretty. I'm stopping now before this turns into a religiouse debate. wink.gif

Boo&BugsMom replied:
laugh.gif No fear Crystal! I don't think it will. I think it's normal for people to question and sometimes it's a good thing. I think when you question, you get answers and it brings you closer in your relationship with God, personally. Like my mom use to tell me in school..."if you don't raise your hand when you have a question how are you going to find out the answer!?". I was always a shy one in school that hated to raise my hand. blush.gif I also think God knows what will happen before it happens, and in turn, things turn out the way they are suppose to be no matter what. So, with saying that, maybe I made you question more. laugh.gif Sorry. With saying and thinking that though, I sometimes make myself question things too.

I'll stop hijacking the thread now and stop... blush.gif

This man is bad though, and it shows considering people who are both pro-life and pro-choice think he's a sicko! I don't understand how this can be legal personally.

jcc64 replied: I want to applaud everyone for speaking their minds so respectfully and eloquently on a very heated and emotionally charged subject. I learned alot.

Boo&BugsMom replied:
I realize I wasn't as speechless as I thought I was! laugh.gif blush.gif

redchief replied: I've not weighed in on this thread because I am an anti-abortion pro-life catholic, therefore respecting someone's opinion that killing a baby is OK in any case is impossible. I'm posting because I found the following page on Dr. Tiller's site interesting:

Late Abortion Care Elective

The web page basically confirms the information related in the original article. That takes care of the conservative bent of the writing, in my opinion.

punkeemunkee'smom replied: Bill and I had a conversation lastnight about this very subject (pretty much because of this thread) We have talked and re-hashed the whole "In the case of rape or insest" debate hundreds of times in our marriage-We are both strongly Pro-Life maybe even more so now with having our own child. We both truly feel that a baby in-utero is a baby none the less baby.gif The scientific reasearch I have done strengthens this belief-In an abortion a life is taken-Period. But having said that I will fully admit to not knowing how I could ever expect my daughter go through a pregnancy brought about by rape puke.gif bawling.gif I support the use of the morning after pill in those instances-I still believe that a life is taken but it is soooo hard to know what I would do when I personalize it in this way.... sad.gif I do NOT believe the baby is in anyway to blame and I applaud the women who can remain pregnant and give the baby up or even keep and raise their children-but I am just being honest when I say that, albeit a very small percentage of abortions are preformed for this reason,the percentage still exsists and I can not draw the hard line there..... sad.gif sad.gif sleep.gif

As far as the man in the OP-I believe he is SICK. He IMO is a murderer of the worst kind. The fact that he is able to do what he does chills me and scares me in the possible progression of his theology and that of those of his kind.......

punkeemunkee'smom replied:
I read that yesterday and it made me sick that they acknowledge the fact that what they destroyed was a child....Hand-prints & pictures???? blink.gif ohmy.gif bawling.gif What a SICK,SICK, man he must be! growl.gif

punkeemunkee'smom replied: ohmy.gif Ok I just had to post this because I was reading his website consent form and he lists the risks of continuing pregnancy but not too many with abortion-on the attachment for abortion complications this is the last line......



ohmy.gif A hysterotomy is similar to a C-section??? Except you loose your uterus..... blink.gif

Boo&BugsMom replied: Does it mean a hysterectomy? Is it spelled wrong, or is there something called a hysterotomy?

Boo&BugsMom replied: Here is a website explaining hysterotomy. Warning...there is a graphic picture when you click on it!!! It about made me cry!

http://www.endtimeprophecy.net/EPN-1/Artic...t/hysterot.html

punkeemunkee'smom replied: No you are right...I just read it wrong-even when I typed it out I thought something was amiss-sorry- blame the cold meds! laugh.gif

Boo&BugsMom replied: That's ok Abbie! Look at it this way...we learned something new!!! biggrin.gif I didn't know what a hysterotomy was until you brought it up! laugh.gif


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