excemption forms - related to not vaccinating (religion )

boyohboyohboy wrote: ok, has anyone had to sign an excemption form for not vaccinating their kids? I was reading the one for pa on a web site, I dont know what it was called now, but it was so radical...
they only had either medical reasons, or religious reasons, and the form you had to sign for religious reasons, said that you believe that the Bible state THOU SHALT NOT KILL, and by putting these toxins into children you feel it could kill them and there for be against your religion!
now a while back someone posted about would you lie on the excemption to keep your child from getting the shot, and I had said yes, what ever it takes, but now I feel like I am lying and using God's name to do it. I cant sign that form.
I dont know if maybe I was just on a weird site, or if anyone has ever really seen this form and signed it.

ok i had to get the site,so you didnt think I was nuts..here is the site
http://www.vaccinetruth.net/
and this is what i was referring too...

A conflict arises because (my/our) religious convictions are predicated on the belief that all life is sacred. God's commandment "Thou Shall Not Kill" applies to the practice of injection of carcinogenic substances that can kill.

I dont think i feel right about signing a form that says this is the reason i want to delay or not vaccinate..

anyone?

Mommy2Isabella replied: I haven't seen the form but that can't be correct. You have personal choice of what do with your children. The vaccines aren't MANDATORY so ... I have to say that they can't make you sign a form and check one of those two things, they need to have personal reasons or something of that sort on their as well.

boyohboyohboy replied: according to this pa doesnt list that as a reason not to vaccinate.
i think if i understand it right, that you have to sign an form to be excempt if you do not vaccinate and then want your kids in public school.correct me if i am wrong..
but pa only had two reasons to sign for.
i also read that you cant say you delay, or shouldnt say that, and not to say if you only skip some but agree to others that they can take your excemption away...
is there a site that lists just the real laws.
i mean i know you can find anything on the internet...
but i want to know the facts. and googling it you can find just about anything

lisar replied: I just looked the one up for my state and county. And there are like 5 diffrent reasons allowed. Personal reasons was not on the list though. Medical, religion, and a bunch of other mumbo jumbo ones were on there.

boyohboyohboy replied: my understanding is you cant just say, "I dont believe or agree with it."
which I agree makes no sense, who else should say what we can and cant do with our children..

grapfruit replied: So it's all or nothing then? Bc that's what it sounds like. Like you can't say I don't want to have ALL the vaccinations, just this one. It's I am against all of them or ok, Vaccinate away?!?

That's stupid. And yes I could get on my soap box and scream all day about how our rights are being chisled away.

Like you can be arrested for child endangerment for smoking in a car w/a minor. Granted, I'm saying people SHOULD be smoking in the car w/their kids, and I don't even smoke. BUT why should the governement tell me what I can and can't do.

I think I heard one state passed that people w/foster kids can't even smoke in their garage. It had so be so far away from the house. Once again, I don't like people smoking in my house. But I'm ok w/the attached garage w/the door open...but it's THEIR HOUSE.

Ok, stepping off the soap box now....My thought, your choice whether to vacc or not, for whatever reason you feel fit.

jcc64 replied: I couldn't find the original document you were citing, but it doesn't sound like it would stand up to any legal challenge.
Also from that site you posted- here's a link from a lawyer who explicitly states that you do not have to belong to any particular organized religion- that your religious beliefs can be unique to you alone and may include not vaccinating your children That is enough to exonerate you from submitting to the shots.
Here's the link:
http://www.vaclib.org/legal/yourrights.htm

And btw, it does make sense that you can't pick and choose which shots to get. It either is or isn't against your "religion", kwim? It'd be kind of hard to justify that legally.
And delaying- I would think you'd have to justify that medically, and good luck finding some dr to do that for you.
You do what you think is right for your child. I certainly don't want to stray too far into religious doctrine, but I don't think any fair or just god would fault or punish you for doing what you think is necessary to protect your children.
Good luck, hon.

DansMom replied: The form in Ann Arbor, which I obtained because I was considering not Vaxing, didn't have medical as a choice (which surprised me). It had Philosophical or Religious, each with a check box beside it, and no "statement" like the one you describe.

The only statement on ours was that you agree that your child can be excluded from school for several weeks during an outbreak of said diseases. This happened to some families recently in our city, due to a measles scare. The form must be signed every year.

mysweetpeasWil&Wes replied: I have had to sign when we delay. Under it, there is also a section to sign if you refuse completely. I believe it mentions the word "for religious reasons", but that's it. No mention of what religion, nothing. I don't think it's anyone's right to know any more than that. I have never seen the statement you mentioned.

my2girls replied: At the link you provided that was A EXAMPLE letter that the website provides for you as an outline. THIS NOT THE LETTER that PA has you fill out.

You should be able to get it from your school district ( either online or in person through the nurse's office).

Its called a Religious Exemption Certificate Form for Vaccinations.

It is againist the law to ask you why you do not get vaccines and/or what religion you are.

redchief replied:
What law forbids this?

boyohboyohboy replied:
i am trying to find out if there are other excemptions other then religion for pa..

My3LilMonkeys replied: From the PA Dept. of Health website:

The only exceptions to the school laws for immunization are medical reasons and religious beliefs. If your child is exempt from immunizations, your child may be removed from school during a disease outbreak.

The website doesn't reference any specific form to be filled out.

my2girls replied: Here is the law:

http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/028/chapter23/s23.84.html

State by State list: Go to page 39 for exemptions in each state

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/laws/d...izlaws05-06.pdf

here is sample of SOME laws to asking about religion. (this is the State of Texas)
http://www.vaccineinfo.net/exemptions/relexemptlet.shtml

Also if you look at ANY states exemption papers all it says is to check the box for religious or medical exemptions. They do not ask what religion you are , how long you have been a follower , are you active in your church, they tread lightly of asking what religion you are because of fear of lawsuits.
Two examples I can think of personally are CA and NV law that are on the books ( because I have there lived in those states I do know the laws) and they recongize "organized" religion ( ie: Catholic's) and non-organized religion that do not fall under tax deductables or state tax exemptions, and that they don't care what you are.